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Jeffl wrote:

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
(but blood is not shown here emphasis mine)

Is it needed that Jesus to shed again in heavenly tabernacle to make sacrifice and atonement for us?

Agree, but wait, did they killed Jesus? Jesus said in:

Jesus gave away was not his blood, not his death, but his very precious life which was the Spirit from the Father.
According to this prevalent interpretation the phrase 'the blood of Christ' - to put it very briefly
- stands not for His death but rather for His life released through death.
When, therefore, we say that we are saved "by the blood of Christ", we are ascribing our salvation, not to the death of Christ nor to some mysterious transaction on Calvary, but to the life of Christ,the life that has passed through death through the shedding of his blood.

Speaking of animal sacrifice he says,'… destruction (of the victim) is not the primary intention. The victim is slain in order that its life, in the form of blood, may be released, and its flesh burnt in order that it may be transformed or etherealized; and in both cases the aim is to make it possible for life to be testament worship in particular, are insisting that the bestowal of life is the fundamental idea in sacrificial worship.'

'In speaking of the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper 1 Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Participating in His life as dedicated to God,'and blood represents the human life of Christ suffering, dying and sacrificed upon earth,which also cleanses Christians by being communicated to them in unification with Him.
(All Scriptures are KJV unless otherwise is indicated)

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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Isaiah 52:7

This has kind of got me wondering what the Church Fathers have written about it. I'll do my homework today, and present what I've come up with.

But this is what I'm thinking Christ was doing on Saturday, and even into Sunday- Hebrews 9:11-12

I don't see anything in the early church that implies what I'm thinking here. Not even close. Chrysostom seems to agree with Agustine on understanding "touch me not". This is what Agustin wrote:

It remains, therefore, that some sacred mystery must lie concealed in these words; and whether we discover it or utterly fail to do so, yet we ought to be in no doubt as to its actual existence. Accordingly, either the words, “Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father,” had this meaning, that by this woman the Church of the Gentiles was symbolized, which did not believe on Christ till He had actually ascended to the Father, or that in this way Christ wished Himself to be believed on; in other words, to be touched spiritually, that He and the Father are one. For He has in a manner ascended to the Father, to the inward perception of him who has made such progress in the knowledge of Christ that he acknowledges Him as equal with the Father: in any other way He is not rightly touched, that is to say, in any other way He is not rightly believed on. But Mary might have still so believed as to account Him unequal with the Father, and this certainly is forbidden her by the words, “Touch me not;” that is, Believe not thus on me according to thy present notions; let not your thoughts stretch outwards to what I have been made in thy behalf, without passing beyond to that whereby thou hast thyself been made. For how could it be otherwise than carnally that she still believed on Him whom she was weeping over as a man? “For I am not yet ascended,” He says, “to my Father:” there shalt thou touch me, when thou believest me to be God, in no wise unequal with the Father. “But go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father.” He saith not, Our Father: in one sense, therefore, is He mine, in another sense, yours; by nature mine, by grace yours. “And my God, and your God.” Nor did He say here, Our God: here, therefore, also is He in one sense mine, in another sense yours: my God; under whom I also am as man; your God, between whom and you I am mediator.


But if my thoughts about Christ not yet passing through the heavenly tabernacle when He spoke to Mary are far off-and obviously unsubstantiated, when did Hebrews 9:11-12 occur?

I am compelled to believe that Christ did something between the time he told Mary "touch me not" and when he was with the Disciples telling Thomas to put his hand in his side. What did he do? I don't know. But I suspect it was something that made it possible for Mary to touch him.

JeffL wrote:



This event cannot be imply to your OP in between “Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday” for the reason that Jesus ascended 40 days after he was resurrected. Acts 1:3-11


All Scriptures are KJV unless otherwise are indicated.

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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Isaiah 52:7

What if He made a quick trip up there after He chatted with Mary, just before he headed over to see the Apostles. LOL!



ok, I think I'm done with this idiosyncracy. I don't know why He said "touch me not". But I agree with Agustin, there's a mystery behind it that which may or may not be revealed to us on this side of Heaven.

and back to the original post, I've always understood, per Peter, that Christ went to speak to the spirits in prison, which I have always been taught to mean in Paradise, between his death and his resurrection.

doesn't the Greek have more the meaning of "stop clinging to me", rather than "touch"?

it then becomes entirely understandable .... Mary has her Lord back from the dead ... it does not take much imagination to see her clinging to Jesus as hard as she could ... she would never want to let Him go ... and Jesus so gently, but firmly, tells her what she needs to hear - and gives her a job to do ... "Go - and tell ...."

btw .... the first apostle - a woman!

in Christ

Dinah

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The Greek hapto has a range of meanings that includes both, but "stop clinging to me" (in Jn 20:17) would be more consistent with what Matthew 28:9 says, and that's the thought conveyed by the ESV, NASB, NIV, and NLT. The meaning of Jesus' statement in John 20:17 has been previously discussed at length here.

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