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Ah, but Social Security is our country's biggest creditor. They protect the value of their reserves from inflation by buying Treasury securities with their surplus. We would owe Social Security just as much money, no matter what we do with the benefit levels. That's what no one is willing to admit unless you ask them.

Here's a link explaining it:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/08/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20110305

Here's another link that addresses Medicare:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20120113,0,442443.column

Because Medicare is so incredibly efficient when you compare it to the for-profit alternative, the potential savings are illusory. The fact that we owe Social Security so much money makes the potrntial savings in that program illusory, too.

Because when it comes down to it, when the US borrows money from hard-working Americans who have paid into Social Security, they need to be honest enough to pay it back rather than using the money to pay for tax cuts for the upper end.

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Yes, absolutely. You may begin any time. Several people here have offered substantive, fact-based rebuttals of your platitudes. You've responded by ignoring them and repeating your platitudes. Rare is a Progressive who is willing to engage in factual argument. They almost always use appeals to emotion, especially envy and empathy, as you have done.

You do not agree with my positions. However, that does not justify character assasination and belittlement, and this is not the first time.

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Back to jobs:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/obama-economic-plan-insourcing_n_1231666.html

Quoting from the link:

On the heels of President Barack Obama's State of the Union address, senior economic advisers to the president on Wednesday shared more details on Obama's blueprint for the economy, including a plan to strip incentives for companies to move jobs overseas and instead encourage the return of manufacturing jobs to U.S. soil.

Arguing that the country should build on the relative strength of its manufacturing sector, National Economic Council (NEC) Director Gene Sperling told reporters that Congress needs to remove the tax deductions that corporations can claim on moving expenses when they ship jobs overseas. In addition, he said the president is proposing a 20 percent income tax credit for companies that choose to bring jobs back to the U.S. Taken together, the two measures would be revenue-neutral, Sperling added.

"Moving jobs is not something we should be subsidizing," Sperling said. "The companies have a right to do it, but that doesn't mean we should subsidize it."

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Assured -- @ least you're consistent with the liberal-only news sources

Santorum has been talking about this all campaign -- his plan goes further

The gov't needs to get out of the subsidizing business -- there may be rare occasions when it makes sense & is Constitutional -- generally, it's a sign of effective lobbying vs. effective gov't

I saw something in the Wall Street Journal this morning, I'll try to find it again and post it.

But you agree with Santorum's approach - got it.

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You don't think the American Legislative Exchange Council membership has been lobbying enough?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

Who are the liberal lobbyists, if I may ask?

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Ok Paco - here is literally "the latest" from the Wall Street Journal on President Obama:

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html

There is also something about him entitled, "Stupid is as Stupid Does," but I am not going to justify it by propagating it. My link is from Peggy Noonan, who to my knowledge has always been pretty level-headed, and I say this as a former Republican. I am sure that Ms. Noonan is hoping the GOP will WAKE UP to the fact that they are losing the moderates and independents.

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Assured -- you appear to have more time to post/research than i -- or maybe the consecutive posts means you simply enjoy talking with us all

i didn't say that -- what i said is this is something Santorum has touted for over a yr -- am initially against it but haven't had time to ponder/research all that it entails

lobbyists, no matter their stripe, are not looking out for the interests of our nation -- hence, they need to go

i don't subscribe to the WSJ so cannot read the link

perhaps they are losing YOU but i've not seen any trends that support your assertion

LOL - I don't read them just to post here! I am already reading them. People post on what they know, of course. I am no different.

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Dang it!

Let me see if I can dig up a syndicated version of her column - I hope she is syndicated...

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She has her own website, where she'll let us see it for free!

(Thanks, Peggy! )

http://peggynoonan.com/article.php?article=612

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I'm not aware of any ALEC lobbying for subsidies, are you? Primarily, they serve as a voice of private enterprise to legislators who make laws that regulate private enterprise. It's kind of a novel idea, getting input from the people who will be most directly affected by legislation before legislating.

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Businesses don't WANT to be regulated. Even the ones that should be - such as oil / petroleum and banks. So they lobby for reduced regulation. Sounds like the lunatics are running the asylum if you ask me...

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So you say that me pointing out your lack of substantive arguments is "character assasination and belittlement" but calling American Legislative Exchange Council "lunatics" is just fine? All I'm saying is that you seem to have a robotic loyalty to President Obama and Democrats, and a robotic derision of Republicans (even when it is pointed out that Obama and the Democrats are doing some of the exact things you are accusing the Republicans of doing). Your arguments consist of repetition of Progressive talking points and appeals to emotion.