Bible Forum

The Bible NETWork ~ Impacting the World for Christ one post at a time!

It is currently Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:59 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:25 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat May 16, 2009 9:16 pm
Posts: 19
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: None/Unknown
Name of your church: At Home
As you all know, people either chose to be gay or they are born that way because of a hic-up while developing in the womb.
It's not the person God hates it"s what they do!
Explain this to them in a caring way without hell fire and damnation, Pray for them in person (laying on of hands) and in private during your own personal prayers
so God will bless them and you.

Christ came into this world to die for the most hiddiouse, most dispicable criminal in the deepest darkest jail so they can seek forgiveness for their sins,
but they still have to face the laws and punnishment of this world and do their time.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:51 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:41 am
Posts: 1328
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Catholic
Name of your church: Catholic Church
Discussions about same-sex sex acts always gets muddled when the word "homosexuality" is used because "homosexuality" is primarily a sexual orientation and not primarily a sex act. That is to say, a person may be homosexual without ever performing any sex act of any kind while a person cannot be guilty of breaking the commandment of God against same-sex sex acts if he/she has never performed any sex act at all.

One contributor to this thread suggested that he/she would not tolerate any homosexual person being in his/her congregation unless they showed signs of giving up the "life style" ... well, what is the "life style"? Is there a heterosexual "life style"? I think that the statement is an example of muddled meanings. I presume that the author of the statement meant that he/she would not tolerate a person in his/her congregation who performed sex acts with another person of the same sex; I also think that "life style" is a clichéd expression that has very little real meaning.

Cheers

_________________
The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:39 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:14 am
Posts: 101
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Non-denominational
Name of your church: LIVING WORD OF FAITH
I wish i could say that i find it hard to believe that christians would think more of their faternity..I mean church than to keep someone from hearing the gospel...Im not perfect and i hope i would never stand in judgement of someone else but i thought that the church was to lost as the hospital was to the sick...if i cant get the gospel from the church where can i get it...remembering that without the leading from the spirit know one will come to know the lord...maybe we should all just remember that when we showed up this sunday morning for church, so did the father, and if he called them we should welcome them


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue May 13, 2008 3:19 pm
Posts: 1012
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Baptist
CHAPMAN wrote:
Im not perfect and i hope i would never stand in judgement of someone else


Chapman, I did not read this entire thread, but your statement above is not a well reasoned statement. All of us at times are called to stand in judgment on others. I received my first jury duty notice in the mail on Saturday. (My wife almost did cartwheels, because she just finished her third time and I had never been called.) Jury duty is a call of citizens to sit in judgment upon other citizens.

Within the church, we are called to judge others. Paul rebukes the church in Corinth for failing to judge the sinful lifestyle of certain people within that church:

I Corinthians 5
Quote:
1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife. 2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst. 3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6Your boasting is not good Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

While it is true that God's grace saves people from the worst of sins, yet His Word tells us that continuance in those same sins may be evidence that the rebirth has not taken place in a person. So, yes, we must love the sinner whose sin is homosexuality just as we must love the sinner whose sin is adultery or abortion or lying. But we must not compromise the gospel by allowing anyone to believe that by coming to Christ we can be saved, all the while continuing in the sin that Christ came to save us from. When Jesus spoke to the woman caught in adultery, He did not ONLY say, "I do not condemn you," He also said, "Go, and from now on sin no more."

Regards.

_________________
All Scripture quotations are New American Standard Bible, unless otherwise indicated.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:56 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:57 am
Posts: 4
Faith: Seeking
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Non-denominational
Name of your church: Here and there
Jimd wrote:
[While it is true that God's grace saves people from the worst of sins, yet His Word tells us that continuance in those same sins may be evidence that the rebirth has not taken place in a person. So, yes, we must love the sinner whose sin is homosexuality just as we must love the sinner whose sin is adultery or abortion or lying. But we must not compromise the gospel by allowing anyone to believe that by coming to Christ we can be saved, all the while continuing in the sin that Christ came to save us from. When Jesus spoke to the woman caught in adultery, He did not ONLY say, "I do not condemn you," He also said, "Go, and from now on sin no more."
Regards.


So by that same reasoning we are to remove from our midst anyone who has gotten a divorce and remarried, right? They continue in their adulterous ways and have obviously not repented. If memory serves me right (please correct me if I am wrong), but Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. However, he explicitly stated the remarriage after divorce is adultery. Personally, I think we should give more weight to Jesus' words.

As for the woman caught in adultery, my understanding is that the Pericope Adulterae was not in any of the earliest text and most serious biblical scholars today, do consider it as part of the original text.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:14 am
Posts: 101
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Non-denominational
Name of your church: LIVING WORD OF FAITH
Jimd wrote:
CHAPMAN wrote:
Im not perfect and i hope i would never stand in judgement of someone else


Chapman, I did not read this entire thread, but your statement above is not a well reasoned statement. All of us at times are called to stand in judgment on others. I received my first jury duty notice in the mail on Saturday. (My wife almost did cartwheels, because she just finished her third time and I had never been called.) Jury duty is a call of citizens to sit in judgment upon other citizens.



I dont go through the church looking for people to judge. if the people are acting out in such a manner in church i would speak to them, although i have never seen it as of yet. if the sheriff calls you for jury duty and you are presented with the proof you must remember that a grand jury has stated that there is enough proof for the trial. also notice that we are judged with the same measure yet in this world a felon cannot stand judge of others.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 4:46 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:51 pm
Posts: 15
Location: Irving, Texas
Faith: Christian
Ecclesiology/Denomination: Non-denominational
Name of your church: Calvary Church
For one, homosexuallity is sin, no matter which way you look at it. Romans 1:24-32. But so is drunkeness, etc, etc.. I don't need to repeat them as they have already been listed in this topic. It makes me very angry sometimes, when I see someone who has turned from their worldly ways, and come to Christ who wants to be ordained as a minister but refused by the church for past sins. However, someone who is still practicing immorallity, i.e. homosexuality can get all the credientials he/she wants. That is evrything against what the Word of God tells us. Homosexuallity is not something that someone was born with, it is a CHOICE. Any other thought is a LIE and needs to be spoken. Anything that counters the Word Of God is against God and His commandments. Period. As Christians, we are to uphold the Word Of God and not replace parts of it with a lie just because the WORLD does not agree with it. The World in against God, so why do we want to fall for it?

That said, It is also our duty, as servants of Christ, to bring the Word to the people. Love them and welcome them in but also, lovingly, show them there wrongs, that is what the Scriptures are for, 2 Timothy 3:16, and to do anything else contrary to the Word Of God, we go against the Great Commission givin to us by Chrst, Matthew 28:18-20.

God Bless,

_________________
Taking the Gospel of Christ to the highways and bi-ways, one step at a time!!!!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 37 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 6 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group