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Antipater in intent, not direct, Hi Cobra, I miss you too
I percieved an error, I meant bluemans quote as it to be understood from quoting scripture as I understand the exegetical statement in the several of the scriptures identified to support the OP’s initial statement.
Rereading thru the posts, especially trusting,


I sense IMHO, that this is more direct of today’s culture standards, in justifying a woman’s finances as the “bread winner” of the household while the man is some how to maintain headship from a biblical perspective.
I can not think for or understand the thought in making this question from trusting, but it hints at a 21st interpretation of 1st century and even further into the O.T. understands of women’s roles in the household order. I believe we are mixing apples and oranges here, if, the question is looking for biblical support to support a woman’s paycheck as supporting the entire family (assuming children also and if not, still) while the man is in ministry. There is direct correlation I suppose in looking through scriptures to support such a general view. Let me say there are examples of women in the bible who definitely have an authoritative role to perform as God given for the people in spiritual matters; Deborah comes to mind for example and this in no way suggests women providing let us say sustenance in the financial understanding.

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But I am not singling you out Cobra just being an irritant (other scripture qoutes by others as well), the scriptures do not support the OP's statment directly. I admire the honesty to offer biblical support for intent in the OP’s question. I just believe we are dealing with a 21st epistemological statement and that is where the answer lay, into today’s culture.

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

kola, you seem to be saying that women as the key family financial supporters is a new thing.
I believe there were also such situations in ancient times. There have always been women with the capability and desire to be successful.

Acts 13 and 17 speak of women of high standing and leading women. Sometimes they became believers; other times they were incited to disrupt the spread of the gospel. Those "leading women?" I'll bet they were leading both men and women.

Proverbs 31 (not Psalms, thanks Anti) certainly describes a businesswoman in ancient Israel, with accolades not derision.

My philosophy is that anything at which my wife or my kids are successful is something I can be proud of personally. I would like them all to exceed me in accomplishments.

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Though not of the OT era, there is a very well-known prophet of the Arabian peninsula of 7th century CE who was supported by his entrepeneurial and fiscally well-off wife. In fact, she was one of the largest factors in his prophethood (no pun intended). I only mention this because it was apparently possible in that old era in the same general region of the world. So while much of what is occuring in our own day may be a product of 21st century philosophical presuppositions, yet it was still something that occured in the distant past in a fairly conservative society.

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Yes of course, Muhammad and thinking about it Jezebel King Ahab's wife of the O.T. era, seemed very much in charge, especially in pursuing Elijah. Very potent scripture here.

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

No not at all. I merely point out that we have to assume Trusting is asking from a etymological context of today's understanding of what is being asked. To compare across the great divide of time is to compare a chariot to a Escalade. What is considered a job in todays standards was survival in biblical times. it merely could cost one's life to get it wrong, today you get fired

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

If I may, I would summarize the answer from the question of headship vs. bread winner question as being "the submission to each other for God's glory in your lives". The Original Post (OP) does ask how this is biblical supported (Eph. 5:21) as it leads to submission of the wife and the husband loving and giving his life for her. What more could one want that desires to honor God in their lives?

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Kola,
You seem to be having some difficulty differentiated between financial contribution to the family and authority in the family. The one does not entail the other. My example was illustrative of that. Yours, however, was indicative of an authoritarian wife controlling her husband and being the head of the family. The two illustrations are not the same. A wife's financial contributions to the family (whether in the ancient past or more modern times) does not automatically ever entail her headship over the whole family.

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Antipater,

I do not recall mentioning anything about headship, so I am not sure where this will head to. I understand you pointing out the correlation between Mohammed’s wife supporting his quest for unification of Arabia as the supportive financial partner in their relationship. Perhaps Jezebel is not a good example of a woman financially supporting the man rather, she, if you prefer, enabled a headship rule over Ahab as he seems to have been soft on the monarchial duties of kingmenship if that is a word. If the OPer is looking for biblical scriptures for the wife financially supporting the man as he is in ministry I have not a clue specific that I am aware of, however as had been mentioned the over arching theme of loving one another as Christ loves the church should be amply sufficient to justify anything if it be done for the glory of God.
The only other point I reflect back on is trying to jam a 21st century idea into biblical times. The motif may be there, but the principal of economics is, well off the charts

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

I disagree, and I continue to be amazed by the similarities between ancient and modern business.

I read an article recently in Biblical Archaeological Review that detailed the different types of contracts (recorded on ancient clay tablets) that existed between herd owners and shepherds/goatherds. These are similar to the ones negotiated between Jacob and his father-in-law. There were incentive clauses and delineation of acceptable proof for animals lost to predators.

We have more technology today, but husband/wife relationships and many things about business are timeless.

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Perhaps so, business like religion is old as dirt to use a pun. I still say in context of our time asking a simple question (the OP’s?’s) And looking for equivalency in the past to justify the present course of action is a false assumption. Besides is not society always looking for next greatest and latest thing to use to make life easier? Perhaps some men find it more of a comfort knowing the wife is bringing home the bacon. There are many dead beat husbands that lay around in this country that are comfortable with that but I believe that goes against the grain as to what we perceive to be a natural order of things, men have traditionally been the working one and the women have been stay at home mom’s and so on, think “leave it to Beaver” show. But that was then and this is now, things change culture influences dynamics and you have successful women in leading roles and so forth. The questions best answered from a modern perspective and not look at clay tablets for the answer

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

This was the original question.
Kola, about your quote:

I would say:
1) there have always been some deadbeat husbands, this is not new -- it is tradition
2) the natural order of things is not for men to shoulder all the burden, but that woman would be a helper suitable to man and they work together
3) deadbeat husbands and full-time evangelists are two entirely different things

I think rather than my viewing the situation through modern eyes and not recognizing the changes that have occurred,
I think you are viewing history through a romantic and unrealistic filter -- and that, although technology has changed, people and especially married couples in their interaction with each other have not changed much.

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And that holds true for same sex married couples too?

I am doing what you do best pulling snippets out to exploit to solidify your position. I do not argue for the headship of husband and wife as is the biblical idea and nor do I think the man to be any less as to her being the financially sustaining partner in the relationship.
What I do believe is, there is no direct context for applying this situation to a biblical interpretation of scripture. It’s a modernistic concept born of equality in our unique business environment of today. I see nothing in the past uniquely resembling the present day concept.

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

Sure, Paul brought up the topic of men choosing men and women choosing women in Romans.

We are not suddenly in a time of new sins. There is nothing new under the sun, when it comes to personal relationships.

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from the point of view of the wife ....

This is a problem with the whole "headship" thing ..... my opinion is that God created male and female in His image .... it was not good for the man to be alone .... in my reading of the scripture, and from observing many marriages over my life, both Christian and non-Christian, and from my own, 45 years of marriage .....

God made us to function as a team .... as something closer than a partnership, where we consider ourselves as individuals, but as somehow part of each other, presenting a united front to the world.

I think this is what Paul describes as submitting to one another ... it is giving what the other needs, when and how they need it.

As for authority ... Christ describes authority as service.

With this in view, the husband and wife should discuss the need, the purpose, the goal in view and agree as to the best way this goal should be accomplished.

Of course, if both are submitted first to Christ, and committed to His glory, it works much better.

in Christ

Dinah

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