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 Post subject: Re: re-marriage
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Paco to clarify what my short comment is about have a read of the following.

Romans 8:18-25 is about salvation. The passage points out that salvation is not completed and possessed or seen, until our bodies are redeemed from corruption at the final judgement; hence, the statement about not being able to lose what you do not yet possess. We do not yet possess salvation, we must wait patiently for it, in fact the whole of creation is subjected to futility until God's appointed time to judge the world and transform his people's mortal bodied to immortal and their corruptible natures to incorruptible. 1 Corinthians also bears witness to the same reality

    And after this perishable nature has put on imperishability and this mortal nature has put on immortality, then will the words of scripture come true: Death is swallowed up in victory. Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting? The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin comes from the Law. Thank God, then, for giving us the victory through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    So, my dear brothers, keep firm and immovable, always abounding in energy for the Lord's work, being sure that in the Lord none of your labours is wasted.
    1 Corinthians 15:54-58 NJB

Thus, a Christian living on earth today does not yet possess salvation and consequently cannot lose it; what a Christian has now is the promise of eternal life and the hope that accompanies that promise. That promise is made to all who are in union with Christ. What can be lost therefore, is grace and union with Christ. The scriptures repeatedly warn and encourage Christians to maintain their faith (and the fidelity to God) firm until the end (of their life and the final judgement) so that their labours will not be wasted and they will not be disqualified/excluded from the promises.

  • Do you not realise that, though all the runners in the stadium take part in the race, only one of them gets the prize? Run like that -- to win. Every athlete concentrates completely on training, and this is to win a wreath that will wither, whereas ours will never wither. So that is how I run, not without a clear goal; and how I box, not wasting blows on air. I punish my body and bring it under control, to avoid any risk that, having acted as herald for others, I myself may be disqualified.
    1 Corinthians 9:24-27 NJB
  • Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were described in writing to be a lesson for us, to whom it has fallen to live in the last days of the ages. Everyone, no matter how firmly he thinks he is standing, must be careful he does not fall. None of the trials which have come upon you is more than a human being can stand. You can trust that God will not let you be put to the test beyond your strength, but with any trial will also provide a way out by enabling you to put up with it.
    1 Corinthians 10:11-13 NJB
  • For God's justice will surely mean hardship being inflicted on those who are now inflicting hardship on you, and for you who are now suffering hardship, relief with us, when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven with the angels of his power. He will come amid flaming fire; he will impose a penalty on those who do not acknowledge God and refuse to accept the gospel of our Lord Jesus. Their punishment is to be lost eternally, excluded from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength on that day when he comes to be glorified among his holy ones and marvelled at by all who believe in him; and you are among those who believed our witness.
    2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 NJB
  • If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgement and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will pay them back. And again: The Lord will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
    Hebrews 10:26-31 NJB

PS: I am not trying to prove anybody else is wrong about their theology, I am stating my own position and showing that there are reasons for holding to it. What you decide to believe and what passages you see as supporting it are not my chief concern here. I don't want to have a fight about who is saved, when they are saved, and if they can lose salvation beyond what we've mentioned already.

On the matter of marriage, a person's marriage (if licit) may be dissolved by civil divorce for any number of legitimate reasons but if the marriage was licit then remarriage after such a divorce is not licit.

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Gentlemen - please stay on topic

Paco and DB, please discuss RC doctrines in the appropriate forum.

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 Post subject: Re: re-marriage
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psychobobicus wrote:
Thanks S! I really should get the prof I work for to do this, since he also wrote a book on the subject.


Well, if you or your prof ever do, please PM me so I can read it. My views are pretty liberal, I suppose,
but I want to be influenced by the bible as much as possible and I want different viewpoints or perspectives. In case you missed it, some of the book you spoke of can be read here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Z-MDLR ... &q&f=false

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 Post subject: Re: re-marriage
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The views expressed in my last post are not specifically Catholic, they are what I believe Christ teaches in the sacred scriptures. My expressed view on remarriage is, I believe, consistent with what the Lord said in the passages I cited and quoted.

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This is interesting to read. For me this is a practical concern. I was divorced in 2000 AD. I wanted to know what God thinks of this and how He sees it. I don't want to follow some interpretation of Men that wasn't what Jesus taught and the early church believed. I have to live by this.

So I went to the source.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4 1 If a man marries a woman and she does not please him because he has found something offensive in her, then he may draw up a divorce document, give it to her, and evict her from his house. 2 When she has left him she may go and become someone else’s wife. 3 If the second husband rejects her and then divorces her, gives her the papers, and evicts her from his house, or if the second husband who married her dies, 4 her first husband who divorced her is not permitted to remarry her after she has become ritually impure, for that is offensive to the Lord. You must not bring guilt on the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Context (NET)


Malachi 2:13-16 13 You also do this: You cover the altar of the Lord with tears as you weep and groan, because he no longer pays any attention to the offering nor accepts it favorably from you. 14 Yet you ask, “Why?” The Lord is testifying against you on behalf of the wife you married when you were young, to whom you have become unfaithful even though she is your companion and wife by law. 15 No one who has even a small portion of the Spirit in him does this. What did our ancestor do when seeking a child from God? Be attentive, then, to your own spirit, for one should not be disloyal to the wife he took in his youth. 16 “I hate divorce,” says the Lord God of Israel, “and the one who is guilty of violence,” says the Lord who rules over all. “Pay attention to your conscience, and do not be unfaithful.” Context (NET)


Matthew 5:31-32 31 “It was said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a legal document.’ 32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. Context (NET)


Matthew 19:3-12 3 Then some Pharisees came to him in order to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful to divorce a wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command us to give a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her?” 8 Jesus said to them, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because of your hard hearts, but from the beginning it was not this way. 9 Now I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another commits adultery.” 10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the case of a husband with a wife, it is better not to marry!” 11 He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are some eunuchs who were that way from birth, and some who were made eunuchs by others, and some who became eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who is able to accept this should accept it.” Context (NET)


Mark 6:17-18 17 For Herod himself had sent men, arrested John, and bound him in prison on account of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, because Herod had married her. 18 For John had repeatedly told Herod, “It is not lawful for you to have your brother’s wife.” Context (NET)


Mark 10:2-12 2 Then some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” 3 He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” 4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.” 5 But Jesus said to them, “He wrote this commandment for you because of your hard hearts. 6 But from the beginning of creation he made them male and female. 7 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother, 8 and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 10 In the house once again, the disciples asked him about this. 11 So he told them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” Context (NET)


Luke 16:17-18 17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tiny stroke of a letter in the law to become void. 18 “Everyone who divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery, and the one who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. Context (NET)


1 Corinthians 7:10-11 10 To the married I give this command – not I, but the Lord – a wife should not divorce a husband 11 (but if she does, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband), and a husband should not divorce his wife. Context (NET)


Romans 7:1-3 1 Or do you not know, brothers and sisters (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is lord over a person as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the marriage. 3 So then, if she is joined to another man while her husband is alive, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she is joined to another man, she is not an adulteress. Context (NET)


For 1500 years after Jesus walked among us, His followers didn't allow divorce or remarriage until King Henry the Eighth. While there is an allowance for divorce it was only found in the Gospel of Matthew as presented to Jews. It wasn't found in the Gospel teachings for the Gentiles. Among the Jews divorce of a betrothal was allowed prior to marriage. Paul specifically says only death ends a marriage covenant. Jesus pointed out that Moses not God allowed men to divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. John the Baptist commanded Herod to send his brother's wife away. The consequences to the "new family" was immaterial it seems.

The more I studied the more I realized I couldn't remarry until my spouse dies. So I remain as I am so I won't commit adultery.

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 Post subject: Re: re-marriage
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1st, let me say i am sorry for your situation & the inherent pain it has caused everyone involved

marcus wrote:
While there is an allowance for divorce it was only found in the Gospel of Matthew as presented to Jews.
i'm not sure this makes sense -- do Christians not apply what Jesus Said in the Gospels simply because most of us are not Jews? -- does something like Matt. 22:34-39 only apply to Jews? :?

what is your view on 1 Cor. 7:12-16?

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I don't want to follow some interpretation of Men that wasn't what Jesus taught and the early church believed. I have to live by this
this is how we should view all matters

but where does God's Forgiveness come into play? -- we sin every day & sins are generally equivalent -- so driving over a speed limit is a big thing too

i believe the Church lacks insight into this topic -- we're collectively missing something -- the focus of the divorce argument in Matt. 19:3 seems to be over the "any cause" view held by some @ that time

i think this is something that requires a great deal of study & i have not done so -- should my situation be 1 where i am divorced & seek to remarry, may God Guide my decision -- &, may He Forgive me if i my choice is sinful

i do not know what the correct view is -- i know some churches tend to view divorce as the unpardonable sin -- this elevation of divorce has always seemed erroneous to me -- nevertheless, i pray God Give you peace in this area & Guide you

& should someone enter your life down the road...& it appears a mutually edifying arrangement Blessed by God to marry...may God Forgive you (*if* marrying her is a sin)...& may you redouble your efforts to honor God & her within the new marriage covenant


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 Post subject: Re: Remarriage
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It's been noted elsewhere on this forum, but in order to understand the texts you've listed, you really need to read David Instone-Brewer's book on Divorce and Remarriage.

When you see the context of this material — especially the citations from the gospels — they read very differently from how they appear to read when viewed from our modern vantage point.

It's way too involved to present on a forum like this, but read in their original context, these passages are not a blanket prohibition on remarriage.


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 Post subject: Re: Remarriage
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I spent 3 years researching this after I read those passages that specifically address the topic. I read commentaries. I read several books including the ones mentioned in the thread. I have prayed over this for several years. So I did not to come to this quickly or easily. Learning to be obedient to God in this hasn't been easy.

From a reference I read several years ago..... divorce was only allowed among the Jewish followers of Jesus during a betrothal but not after a marriage had occurred. Gentile followers needed no divorce to end a betrothal back then because it was needed prior to the Messiah's coming. This is the reason for the single reference to this and only in the Gospel teaching for the Jews. As can be read in the three Gospels passed on to us Gentiles there is no such allowance. This isn't something to be glossed over but rather to be studied diligently because it shows a distinction that we must understand. There is a reason that used to be obvious but we have downplayed the significance of it over the last 400 plus years. Besides the general commandments that apply to all, there are a few passages that apply only to Jews and others only to Gentiles. I will make a distinction just as the leaders of the early Church did when they discussed what commandments we as Gentiles were supposed to follow.

Matthew 22:34-39 is relevant for all followers of Jesus. It is a general command. But there are clear statements that remarriage is adultery. As far as how Matthew 22: 34-39 applies to the specific passages on divorce and remarriage. It comes back to loving God. God knows who loves Him by their obedience to His commands and teachings. I show my love to my brothers and sisters by pointing to the truth by not only living by it but engaging in the uncomfortable discussions this normally leads to.

As far as 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 is concerned I point out the obvious distinction that Paul makes in the passages. 1 Corinthians 7:10-11 concerns the married/divorced and it is a command of the Lord. While 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 concerns everyone but the married/divorced and is only from Paul and not God. Verses 12-16 have no bearing on the married or divorced.

Earlier in the thread someone mentioned God commanded divorce in Matthew. But go back and reread it. Jesus points out Moses allowed it because of the hardness of the hearts of the divorcing. Then He contrasts how different that is from God's intent and command at the beginning. God joins a man and woman together and they must not be separated. If God makes them one how does a purely man-made procedure separate what God has joined?

Forgiveness comes into play when there is penitence. Do I continue in sin because I desire to continue sinning? Or isn't it the fruit of my faith and how we are all known as followers of the Most High? Didn't God say in Malachi He acts as judge against those who remarry violating the covenant with the first spouse? I see that clearly in Malachi 2. BTW this passage caused much lost sleep and worry when I finally paid attention to it. "No one who has even a small portion of the Spirit in him does this." in regards to divorce in Malachi 2.

I have had several women express interest when I was keeping my distance and I have told them I am bound by the marriage covenant till one of us dies as Paul reminds believers in Romans 7. I remain as I am.

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I'm not underestimating the amount of research you did. I'm just suggesting that the sources you consulted likely weren't taking into account the material DIB cites in his groundbreaking work.

Specifically on Malachi 2, the older versions fail to recognize that the text is talking about a man who divorces his wife without proper grounds. The text simply doesn't say that God hates divorce. The verb 'hate' here — of which God is not the subject — is a technical term for divorcing without proper cause. ESV's rendering comes closest to my take on the verse:
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For the man who hates and divorces, says the LORD, the God of Israel, covers his garment with violence, says the LORD of hosts. So guard yourselves in your spirit, and do not be faithless.

The "man who hates and divorces" is the man who divorces his wife without the proper grounds outlined in Exodus 21:10-11.

Romans 7 mentions only death and does not mention divorce as a valid dissolution of a marriage because divorce isn't relevant to Paul's metaphorical application of marriage. DIB cites a marriage contract from 92 BCE:
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μὴ ἐξέστω Φιλίσκωι γυναῖκα ἄλλην ἐπ[α]γ̣[α]γ̣έ̣σ̣θ̣α̣ι̣ ἀ̣λ̣λὰ Ἀπολλωνίαν μηδὲ παλλακὴν μηδὲ π̣[αιδ]ικὸν ἔχειν μηδ[ὲ τεκνο]π̣οιεῖσθαι ἐξ ἄλλης γυναικὸς ζώσ[η]ς Ἀπ[ο]λλωνίας
It will not be lawful for Philiskos to bring in any other wife besides Apollonia... while Apollonia remains alive...
P.Tebt.0104, lines 19-20

There is no doubt whatsoever in the context of Greco-Roman culture that this does not mean Philiskos is not permitted to remarry in the event of Apollonia's death. DIB offers a much fuller explanation than I can post here.

Marcus, I truly appreciate and respect your decision to deprive yourself of marriage because of your belief that God forbids it to you in light of your earlier decisions. But you're imposing something on yourself that God is not imposing on you, and in your teaching you're attempting to impose it on others as well.

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marcus -- "and whatever is not from faith is sin" -- hence, you are doing what you deem honorable & correct before God -- this is a righteous path you walk

i have not reached the same conclusions on this matter as you as of today -- tomorrow, another conclusion may be Revealed to me, dunno -- because this is a debateable area is why i bring up the forgiveness aspect -- for me, were i in your shoes & then remarried, it would not be a sin in *my* eyes -- i would ask God's Blessing on the union & His Forgiveness if i misunderstood His Word -- i do not believe this would be breaking tenets like Rom. 6:1

fwiw -- i do not believe a believer can "lose" their salvation -- nevertheless, we must strive to obey God & know His Will

it may be helpful for those examining this issue for you to share some of your sources -- your offer to share your take is appreciated as many people are weighing this issue

i sense your pain so do not want to diminish your struggles over this doctrine -- it is clearly a very weighty matter & 1 not done w/o a great of time on your knees & in study -- i respect that -- but since my conclusions are different, i'm trying to balance my words while understanding your view -- i hope that is apparent in my posts


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It's been noted elsewhere on this forum, but in order to understand the texts you've listed, you really need to read David Instone-Brewer's book on Divorce and Remarriage.


I am a little surprised you are recommending Instone-Brewer's book. He does have some good information in his book but he takes some leaps that I do not believe are justified. His position ultimately is that divorce is ok as long as you make sure to follow the prescribed law regarding divorce. In other words, he basically equates Jesus' position with that of Hillel. I find this argument very difficult to swallow, especially when you consider all of the other issues addressed in the sermon on the mount and how Jesus raised the bar beyond what Hillel or any other Rabbi had taught. It makes little sense that Jesus would raise the bar for every other issue but simply hold the status quo for this one.


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In other words, he basically equates Jesus' position with that of Hillel.

Not sure where you're deriving this from DIB. Not that I wish to get into an argument over who has the more accurate reading of DIB — these days I find it difficult to summon up the time and energy to argue about who has the proper reading of Scripture, much less of a commentator — but that's not how I see his position at all. In DIB's paraphrase,
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Jesus said to them, "if a man divorces his wife for 'any matter' and not for 'a matter of indecency' (the correct interpretation of Deut. 24:1). he does not have a valid divorce."
pp.176-177 (italics original)

I don't see how this statement can be reconciled with the teaching of Hillel.


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This is interesting to read. For me this is a practical concern. I was divorced in 2000 AD. I wanted to know what God thinks of this and how He sees it. I don't want to follow some interpretation of Men that wasn't what Jesus taught and the early church believed. I have to live by this.

The more I studied the more I realized I couldn't remarry until my spouse dies. So I remain as I am so I won't commit adultery.


Marcus,

Very well said. I admire you for your strength in choosing to do what is right. I find this to be rare among Protestants, who permit divorce and remarriage.

God bless you.

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does not the Catholic Church approve of "annulments"?

many a wealthy Catholic had a marriage annuled in order to re-marry -- no harm, no foul


more importantly, as i mentioned previously, while i disagree with marcus' conclusions, i applaud his devotion to walking what he believes is the righteous path


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Paco wrote:
does not the Catholic Church approve of "annulments"?


Do courts invalidate contracts where one party withheld information from the other prior to entering into the contract? Yes, of course they do.

So too can the Church declare null a marriage. For example, if I marry a person but withhold from that person that I have a serious problem with abuse or alcohol prior to entering into the marriage, then I have withheld information from my spouse which may have affected his / her decision to enter willingly into the marriage. I have misled that person and therefore in this example, it would be grounds for a declaration of nullity.


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many a wealthy Catholic had a marriage annulled in order to re-marry -- no harm, no foul


And many poor have also had marriages annulled. Wealth or financial means is not an impediment to marriage. Just ask Henry VIII, who at the time of his request for an annulment was the wealthiest man on the face of the earth.


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more importantly, as i mentioned previously, while i disagree with marcus' conclusions, i applaud his devotion to walking what he believes is the righteous path


Divorce and remarriage is condemned by our Lord in all four Gospels.

"And he says to them: Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another commits adultery against her. And if the wife shall put away her husband and be married to another, she commits adultery." (Mk 10:11-12)

"And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, commits adultery." (Mt 19:9)

"Every one that puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery: and he that marries her that is put away from her husband commits adultery." (Lk 16:18)

To the woman at the well, our St. John records Jesus saying the following: "Jesus says to her: Go, call your husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said: I have no husband. Jesus said to her: You have said well: I have no husband. For you have had five husbands: and he whom you now have is not your husband. This, you have said truly." (Jn 4:16-18)


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