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Will pot lead to something stronger if not why are there so many drug problems?

Isn't it strange how people are always looking for a fix of somthing?
Is God not enough for a Christian why do they need pot ?

1Kings13:18 we see the satan leading the people into sin by being a wolves in sheep clothing.
How many people proclaimeing to be a christian saying it ok to do something and leading a young person into sin which destroys their lives.

One problem: parents now are saying it ok if the young person stay in the home and have a drinking party for teens as long as i know were they are.
What are we teaching? V21 "this is what the Lord says:" "you have defied the word of the Lord"
When I was in the world I was like the world Colossians 2:20 remind me that I died with Christ so I must put away the things of the world. Colossians 2:8 Pot drunkenness all acts of the sinful nature.
So are we to make all mind altering drugs the same if not why not?

1Corinthians 3:16-18
God Bless

A big point of disagreement between my thoughts and everybody else's, is whether or not using ANY ammount of pot at all consitutes drunkenness. And I can't agree with that. Like I said in previous posts, that a guy who has drank 4 or 5 beers in an hour or two is going to be more intoxicated than a tolerant user who has used even the highest quality hashish (a concentrated form of pot). When I read the Scriptures about the behaviors of a drunkard, they don't really fit the pot smoker. They certainly fit the binge drinker. I must also consider Christ's words, "it's not what goes in the mouth that defiles a man, it's what comes out of him".


Let me ask this. Of the people who say that using pot in any ammount constitutes drunkenness, (don't answer if you don't feel comfortable or don't want to have it discussed), how many have used pot before? If so, less than 10 times in your life, or more than 10 times in your life?

We all come from different backgrounds. But I trust everyone here is a believer, and I consider you all my brothers in Christ. I appreciate the conversation, as it's disruptive to talk about it in church. We all come from different backgrounds; smoking pot more than ten times might be a real bad thing to some. But I never really got that value rooted in my mind and heart. And I know a whole culture of people who don't hold that value, either. (But they don't know Christ, either). So it's not really a surprising, shocking thing for me to learn that someone uses pot.

I'll still hold to my argument posted prior for right now (on how I would argue Pat Robertson's case), even though it isn't exactly his case. It's more of a case that could contrast Faith based rehab and secular rehab, if faith based rehab would adopt it. I do want to post one of the footnotes, though, because I don't think my point was heard.

I'm trying to make out a theological case against his position, but it's lacking, IMO. I will certainly bring up "the potential for" drunkenness:) But I'm also trying to lay down an argument that soceity is not spiritually prepared for legal pot, and that by doing so many many men will harm their conscience, or "stumble". But it works both ways. Eusebius Church History has a bit of tradition on it that I've always found interesting. Anyways, yeah I don't think I guy who took two tokes is drunk. Not even three or four. Maybe a first time user, but not someone who has used it more than ten times. The body's tolerance develops rather quickly. But that's just my own personal observations. I can't deny that it does affect a person, even if it's only slight. And if that slight change is "drunkenness" then it throws out any and every argument I could ever make, because drunkenness is explicitly called sin.

That's a darn good question. Off the top of my head, the only distinction is that pot is an herb, and others are not. But I can't stay consistent with that, because opium is an herb as well.


I do observe that there's not too many people out in the streets chanting "legalize opium". Roughly 50% of the Drug War Strategy budget is directed at pot, and Obama just increased the budget about 75%. And a significant percentage of the American people want pot laws reformed.

boy that's weak. Good question!

here's one of the footnotes off of my defense of Pat robertson's position. Is it relevant?


[9] Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology
The Sufficiency of the Scripture
#5. "With regard to the Christian life, the sufficiency of the Scripture reminds us that nothing is sin that is not forbidden by scripture either explicitly or by implication. To walk in the law of the Lord is to be “blameless” (Ps. 119:1). Therefore we are not to add prohibitions to those already stated in scripture. From time to time there may be situations in which it would be wrong, for example, for an individual Christian to drink Coca-Cola, or to attend movie theaters, or to eat meat offered to idols (see 1 Cor. 8-10), but unless some specific teaching or some general principle of Scripture can be shown to prohibit these (or any other activities) for all believers for all time, we must insist that these activities are not in themselves sinful and they are not in all situations prohibited by God for his people.
This also is an important principle because there is always the tendency among believers to begin to neglect the regular daily searching of Scripture for guidance and to begin to live by a set of written or unwritten rules (or denominational traditions) concerning what one does or does not do in the Christian life.
Furthermore, whenever we add to the list of sins that are prohibited by Scripture itself, there will be harm to the church and to the lives of individual believers. The Holy Spirit will not empower obedience to rules that do not have God’s approval from Scripture, nor will believers generally find delight in obedience to commands that do not accord to the laws of God written in their hearts. In some cases, Christians may earnestly plead with God for “victory” over supposed sins that are in fact no sins at all, yet no “victory” will be given, for the attitude or action in question is in fact not a sin and is not displeasing to God. Great discouragement in prayer and frustration in the Christian life generally may be the outcome.
In other cases, continued or even increasing disobedience to these new “sins” will result, together with a false sense of guilt and a resulting alienation from God. Often there arises an increasingly uncompromising and legalistic insistence on these new rules on the part of those who do follow them, and genuine fellowship among believers in the church will fade away. Evangelism will often be stifled. For the silent proclamation of the gospel that comes from the lives of the believers will at least seem (to outsiders) to include the additional requirement that one must fit this uniform pattern of life in order to become a member of the Body of Christ."

I have never once used it, but I've been around it quite a bit, and I agree with you.

-Dan.

You know, I can answer the "all drugs the same" from tradition, Justin martyr; but I can't really nail it down in the Scriptures.

It is possible for a person to use pot, and not experiment with other drugs. But off the top of my head I can't think of anyone who fits that bill. Maybe one person, but he has used alcohol. The gateway theory could be the result of cultural/social factors. If you classify an lump pot in with illegal drugs, the markets flow the same, the connections flow the same, and the availability of pot winds up next to other illegal drugs. Would pot lead to harder drugs if it were obtained on the shelf at your local 7-11? But I think you make a good point in the desire to intoxicate the mind. People use pot because they want to get "stoned". And that's not necessarily a Godly appetite.
A Christian who suffers an ailment that pot would help would need pot. God and pot are not mutually exclusive; it's not like you have to pick one ot the other.

satan uses lying spirits. but if you go back to my defense of Mr. Robinson's position, you will see that encouraging asceticism is an activity of demons (Foundations of Pentecostal Theology, LIFE Bible College).

One presupposes that using pot is sin, or will lead to sin. I don't see it. I need the "thou shalt not useth pot" in the Scriptures, and I can't find it.

Colossians 2:21 describes the human commands and teachings that we have died to. "taste not" is one of those things! You can't say "I have died with Christ", and then still live by those elementary commands and human teachings.


Sorry my response is so scattered. It's past my bedtime.

I know several people who smoke pot (some quite regularly) who aren't drawn to harder drugs on a regular basis. Some of these people have never done anything harder; some dabbled with other stuff in college; one guy did heavier drugs in his late teens, but now only smokes pot, and some will do them some harder stuff maybe 2-3 times/year. For them, it's sort of a treat - in the same way that I may drink beer a couple times a week, I don't often spend $100 on a bottle of nice scotch.

All of the pot smokers I know are able to regulate their intake of other drugs quite well.

-Dan.

I used to be a truck driver for 20 years Dan and I could see a lot of things that most people couldn't when driving these trucks and I would see occasionally someone next to me at a red light and lite up a joint and proceed to drive there vehicle like so what ..Let me ask you would you want your wife or children riding down the highway along side this person..

There are a lot of things you can't find in scriptures 2Timothy 3:16 One presupposes that using pot is sin, would Jesus not reply "you are in error because you do not know Scripture or the power of God?"

Sin is not accepting God!--- "having let go of obeying God and holding on the traditions of men"

Matthew 22:34-36 Christians need to do as Jesus said, "everyone who sin is a slave to sin"
Ask a person who smokes pot to give it up for a month see what response you get!

Ask a for a job in the construction industry in most places the want you to take a drug test why? or the Olymics.
The pleasures of pot is for a little while, "but be high on the Holy Spirit you will not need pot".

Now the big problem we want to justify ourself Matthew 19:16 30 like the rich young man who went away sad.
Why?
Christians need to clean the inside than the outside will also be clean.
clearly no one is justified before God by the law because the righteous will live by faith.
for the sinner everything is acceptable Matthew 15:12

Let us not rest contented with weak faith but ask to have it increased.
is it ok to let a child use and smoke it if not why not?

Again, what does this have to do with anything? As has already been stated, just because a particular substance is legal to possess & use, doesn't mean we have to allow it in all circumstances or all anybody to do anything while under its influence. Alcohol is perfectly legal, but you're not allowed to drive while drinking. Solving this issue is trivial - why are you afraid of it?

-Dan.

No doubt you saw a few drivers taking a swig from their Budweiser can as well. Almost every day I see commuters texting, putting on make up and other activities while hurtling down the freeway at 75 mph. Should we prohibit alcohol, cell phones and makeup?

It's a gigantic generalization, and furthermore I don't think it applies. There "is" a legal blood alcohol content, under which people would be considered able to drive. There "isn't" one for marijuana, and if you ask me there never should be, because marijuana causes intoxication. Alcohol doesn't if you limit the quantity you consume.

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Blessed Assurance, Jesus is mine

Oh what a foretaste of glory divine!

traces of pot stay in your system for about a month. A good handful of states have zero tolerance per se dui laws,meaning if a person has any trace of pot in their system, they are DUI/ DWI.

And rightly so, IMO.

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Blessed Assurance, Jesus is mine

Oh what a foretaste of glory divine!

what that means is that a person can be tried for drunken driving, even though he hasn't used pot in days, weeks, and even a month.

and again, as far as intoxication goes, IMO, the guy who drank 4 beers is more intoxicated than the guy who used a high quality hashish.


I don't see any justice in trying a guy for DUI on traces of pot in his system. The tests are not accurate enough, they haven't figured out how to tell the difference between active and inactive metabolytes yet. Hopefully, law enforcement doesn't abuse this potentially unjust situation.