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I agree. Speaking up was in response to the intolerance of others, rather than being a reflection of his own hostility toward Christianity. The President ends up having to do this again and again, because for some reason the GOP wants to make everything Christian. This excludes the non-Christians among us, who all have a right to freedom of religion, as well as equal particpation in our government.

You'll note that Eric Cantor, who is Jewish, decided to endorse Mitt Romney as the Republican nominee (on Meet the Press yesterday) rather than Rick Santorum. Congressman Santorum's saying that everything in government should be Christian left him, as a Jewish person, no choice.

But back to the Mosque situation - President Obama is stuck with the job of reassuring (non-Christian) people that there is a place for them in civic life, thanks to the GOP. That's why he sounds so different. If anything, the GOP needs to follow "W's" example and re-embrace religious pluralism. Basic morality is fine - there is a grand Judeo-Christian consensus that is broadly shared, and that is the basis for many of our laws. But we mustn't let the Catholic church (or Protestant churches) dictate public policy. It's a threat to anyone who isn't of that persuasion. Don't forget that Muslims DIED on 9/11. They may need their own mosque on Ground Zero to comfort them in their pain, too.

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Oh what a foretaste of glory divine!

so did many others who practice different religions -- it's irrelevant & adds nothing to the argument -- WHO attacked us? -- it wasn't a bunch of Budhist Swedes, ok?

i'm sure they do -- but over 100 mosques are already in NYC so why can't they go to 1 of them?

you really believe that's the reason? -- i haven't heard Cantor's rationale but i'd bet serious cash it has zero to do with this -- whether you like him or not, Romney will be the nominee -- so he's getting on the bandwagon

no, it's because he wants gov't to control our lives & severely restrain individual liberty & freedom

discussions like this rarely get anywhere becuase we each read the same news yet reach different conclusions -- it's like Calvinism vs. Arminianism except that discussion is more imp

Would you have been ok with blocking the construction of a Christian church in downtown Oklahoma City?



I don't know. Why can't Christians go to one of the bajillion churches already in this country (particularly in the south), instead of building new ones?

btw, Park51/Cordoba House isn't just a mosque - it's more like a YMCA.

-Dan.

He said that? Can you give a reference?

Christians don't advocate for or practice jihad, do they? Please don't tell me you believe Timothy McVeigh and his accomplices in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were Christians.

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please reveal the evidence that these people were Christians & their actions were motivated by Christian tenets

Gideon asks the same thing but i had to as well

what i found interesting @ the time of the event was the storyline of 3 suspects, 1 of whom appeared to be of Middle Eastern origin -- that aspect of the story died so maybe there was nothing to it

David Barton wrote:

"August 2010 – Obama speaks with great praise of Islam and condescendingly of Christianity. 47"

Is this an example of this Barton's sources? A Chuck Norris opinion piece?

Here is the text of the President's comments on August 16, 2010 [Note, this is not a transcript so it may not include all of the President's remarks] :



So tell me again, how are those remarks "condescending" or otherwise "hostile" to Christianity?

Actually, some do advocate something similar, and many have advocated it throughout history.

Regardless, not all Muslims advocate it, do they?



Actually, I made a mistake - I mixed up Timothy McVeigh with Eric Rudolph. So replace Oklahoma City with Atlanta. Would anyone have a problem with a Christian church being built near Olympic Park? I did notice that there are two Salvation Army facilities within a couple blocks of the park: one store and one rec center / Boys & Girls Club. The rec center had an expansion a couple years ago - I wonder if anyone considered that overt display of Christianity to be an affront to the folks who suffered at the hands of religiously-motivated terrorist Eric Rudolph.



I think Chuck Norris' dictionary must have taken one too many roundhouse kicks to the face.

-Dan.

So you believe a Christian was responsible for the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta?

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I believe that he was raised Catholic and the he believed himself to be a Christian.

...beware the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

-Dan.

That's not what I asked.

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I know what you asked and I know why you asked it.

Are you familiar with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy?

I bring it up, because quite often, Christians are quick to dismiss as "not real Christians" anyone who commits some heinous act in the name of Christ, yet are almost completely unwilling to extend that same consideration to members of other religions.

-Dan.

Yes, I'm familiar with the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. The fallacy is an attempt to redefine a group in order to exclude individuals who do things that members of the group don't want to be associated with. Are you familiar with 1 John 3:15?

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Mostly because such acts are not what is condoned in the Christian Bible. Often these acts are justified through the teaching of a cleric or some other "christian" authority. Much like the Popes abd Bishops who approved of the atrocities of the crusades for humanistic purposes. Or one could point to the white supremecist fools who were the "christian" leaders of the Ku Klux Klan. Again their teaching was in direct opposition to those of The Bible as a whole and definitely opposed to those of Christ.

In this you refer to the acts of terrorism and, of course, those acts taken against America on 911. Acts specifically condoned not only by clerics of Islam but also by the Qu'ran itself under the guise of Gihad. They were clearly following the basic tenets found within the teachings of Muhammad.

I am willing to accept that there are some "peaceful" sects of Islam. But I recognize that many of them are choosing to ignore or spiritualize the clear teachings (though somewhat confusing as a whole) of the Qu'ran (as well as the Hadith). The fact is that understanding the Qu'ran, and the teaching of the 2 main sects which came after the Prophet Muhammad's death, leads to these acts of violence, terror and death. For the true believer seeks to assert Islam as the supreme religion of the world under one true Caliph (or Khalifa). America, and any other main objection/obstacle to that purpose are objects of the "Great Satan".

Therfore IMHO you are comparing apples to space rocks!

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Here, for better or for worse, is the Mitt Romney endorsement from Eric Cantor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e8ZHL3eENw

But seriously, do you REALLY think Eric Cantor wants everything Christian? It defies logic that he would endorse anyone who would impose Christianity on him, because he's Jewish. He wouldn't have had to say it, IMO.

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Oh what a foretaste of glory divine!

What does that mean -- to want everything Christian?

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