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 Post subject: New Covenant
PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:49 am 
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Is the new covenant to Israel, the body of Christ, or both?

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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Hi Riverrat,

I believe that it's for all who believe.

Jeremiah said in Jer. 31:31 (ESV):

" 'Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,' "

Clearly from here we see that the Covenant was said to be toward Israel. Yet from the New Testament we see that Gentile believers are grafted into the promises of Israel. It would seem then that all who believe are those who partake of this new covenant. However, the New Covenant was originally given to the people of Israel.

Paul talks about this a bit in Hebrews 8 & 10.

Heb. 9:15 is evidence that the new covenant is for "those who are called".


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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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riverrat wrote:
Is the new covenant to Israel, the body of Christ, or both?

Anyone's thoughts please

Hi RiverRat,

The first covenant was given to Israel and "ALSO" all those who sojourneth in the land.
Num. 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that
sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

The second covenant is given to scattered Israel as well as everyone on planet Earth.
Ps. 24:1 The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

I hope this answers your question?


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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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Actually, Ed, the verses you cite don't prove either of your points.

Numbers 15:15 doesn't say anything about the covenant; it simply affords a Gentile who is temporarily living in Israel the opportunity to offer a sacrifice. Considering the affinity of this text with Exodus 12:48-49, one might even infer that the Gentile in this case submits to circumcision.

Psalm 24:1 simply says that the earth and everything in it belongs to God. It says nothing whatsoever about a covenant.


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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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Hi Riverrat,

I believe that it's for all who believe.

Jeremiah said in Jer. 31:31 (ESV):

" 'Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,' "

Clearly from here we see that the Covenant was said to be toward Israel. Yet from the New Testament we see that Gentile believers are grafted into the promises of Israel. It would seem then that all who believe are those who partake of this new covenant. However, the New Covenant was originally given to the people of Israel.

Paul talks about this a bit in Hebrews 8 & 10.

Heb. 9:15 is evidence that the new covenant is for "those who are called".
I agree


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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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lol but it says ill make new covenant with Israel not pagans???!!!

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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I believe the New Covenant is partially fulfilled in the church age but fully realized at the second coming of Christ when He sets up His kingdom for His millennial reign.

It will replace the Mosaic Covenant which was a conditional covenant. The blotting out of sin is one of the promises of the New Covenant and this blotting is an act of God according to His sovereignty. Israel has done nothing to merit this blotting out of sin and it is founded on God’s free grace. “The New Covenant is that which contains the pledge of its efficacy. It rests upon forgiveness on the part of God, not on the performance of man.” cf. Ryrie, Keil & Delitzsch, Westcott


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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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The New Covenant is to the seed of Abraham, Abraham's Spiritual seed or descendants which includes jews and gentiles..

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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I think the explanation goes something like this. God made the New Covenant with Israel (Heb 8:10). And it is the children of promise who are counted as Israel (Rom 9:6-8). Among the children of promise there is now a remnant of those who are Israel according to the flesh and also believe in Christ (Rom 11:5-8). And God has grafted believing Gentiles in with believing Israel (Rom 11:17-18). So God has in Christ made one new man of all believers, Jew and Gentile. They are one in Christ (Eph 2:11-22). And all who are in Christ are Abraham's descendents and heirs according to promise (Gal 3:28-29). In short, God has made his covenant with all who are in Christ.

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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The New Covenant is the same as the Everlasting Covenant, but just brought to light by the Blood of Christ now being shed.

But the blood of the New Covenant is the same Blood of the Everlasting Covenant heb 13:

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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is Mosaic Covenant everlasting covenant?

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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alexeyhurricane wrote:
is Mosaic Covenant everlasting covenant?


No, that was a temporal covenant, paul makes that clear in a number of places. One that comes to mind gal 3:


17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law[covenant], which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law [mosaic covenant]? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Law covenant was instituted because of transgressions, until the seed [Christ] should come. Christ death abrogated that covenant because He was the substance of all that it typified.

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Many of the covenants were referred to as "everlasting" in various Bible versions include the Noahic (Gen 9:16), Abrahamic (Gen 17:7,13,19), Davidic (2 Sam 23:5), and Mosaic (Isa 24:5). But the Hebrew word עוֹלָם (o-lawm'), which may be translated as "everlasting" with respect to the various covenants does not necessarily mean "without end." It could also be translated simply as "lasting" or "long-lasting." The idea is that the thing in view will extend to a time out of mind, which could include the thought of continuing eternally, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it will never come to an end.

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 Post subject: Re: New Covenant
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so we just decide which one is eternal which one is not or what??? maybe New Covenant aint eternal one???

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alexeyhurricane wrote:
so we just decide which one is eternal which one is not or what??? maybe New Covenant aint eternal one???


The scripture is clear. Heb 13:

20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now is not Jesus Christ, the one here Matt 26:


28 For this is my blood of the new testament or covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Is He not the Great Shepherd of the Sheep in heb 13:20 ?

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