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i was discussing some things with pentecostals and some of them says that in Old Testament , Holy Spirit was on most of the righteous people but from New Tetsament times Holy Spirit is in people.

is there support from the Holy Bible about this? and would like some books that people know to recommend to read abt this stuff or links.

tyvm and shalom

alexey

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Several passages in the Old Testament speak of the Spirit/spirit (רוּחַ which the NET has translated "breath, wind" in several of the Ezekiel passages, but see other translations which have tended to use "spirit/Spirit") being "in/within" persons:

Numbers 27:18 18 The Lord replied to Moses, “Take Joshua son of Nun, a man in whom is such a spirit, and lay your hand on him; Context (NET)

Ezekiel 2:2 2 As he spoke to me, a wind came into me and stood me on my feet, and I heard the one speaking to me. Context (NET)

Ezekiel 3:24 24 Then a wind came into me and stood me on my feet. The Lord spoke to me and said, “Go shut yourself in your house. Context (NET)

Ezekiel 36:27 27 I will put my Spirit within you; I will take the initiative and you will obey my statutes and carefully observe my regulations. Context (NET)

Ezekiel 37:14 14 I will place my breath in you and you will live; I will give you rest in your own land. Then you will know that I am the Lord – I have spoken and I will act, declares the Lord.’” Context (NET)

And of being "filled" with the Spirit:

Exodus 35:31 31 He has filled him with the Spirit of God – with skill, with understanding, with knowledge, and in all kinds of work, Context (NET)

Normally the Spirit/spirit is described as being "in the midst" of people or even more regularly "upon/on" people.

Interestingly, Acts 1:8 doesn't say the Spirit would come "in" the disciples of Jesus, but "upon" them.

I'm not actually personally convinced that the distinction that is typically maintained between the testaments is valid, but I could definitely be convinced otherwise if there is Scripture to indicate otherwise. While there is a definite difference between the outpouring of the Spirit in each, there is also a definite similarity and continuity. It actually appears to me that in reading the Scriptures the Spirit is both in and upon people (Old and New Testament eras) in order to sanctify (make holy, set apart) and to empower/equip for service (through knowledge, skill, ability, wisdom, etc.).

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i thought same thing not much evidence to support it , lots of places say that Holy Spirit was in Joseph, David , John Baptist

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now im reading book by

Hamilton, James M., Jr: God's Indwelling Presence: The Holy Spirit in the Old & New Testaments. Nashville, TN : B&H Academic, 2006,

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he argues that there is difference "God with you" and "God in you" ! something like that

in old testament it was God with you

but in new God in you

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People who read the new testament claim to have GOD INDWELLING THEM, way earlier than they do. The NT gives you parameters of ways to substantify if or if not the Spirit is in you or not. People just want to claim all the good stuff whether it's theirs or not. I'm not meaning it quite as literally as I said it, but that is what occurs. Generations of misrepresenting scripture.

Go read romans 8:9
If the spirit of GOD indwells you, you are no longer in the flesh. Flesh being sinful nature in NIV. I'm still connected to my sinful nature, I can't claim to be indwelled by the spirit of God. He sure as heck does a lot of working ON me however. You see a NT example of him working ON you in gal 5:18 where it reads those led by the spirit are no longer under the law.

So, the LED there, is AGO in greek, and would be like me leading a horse with a rope, tether, rein. Or from the outside.

And gal 5:16 reads if you walk by the spirit, or live by the spirit, you won't give into sin. A result of when the spirit is indwelling you, filling you up, baptised in the spirit.... etc....

Another verse folx either rewrite or claim before it's theirs.

hope that helps.

rom 8:9 is the only one specifically to the point. It says it quite matter of factly. And it shows you a measurable event to know where you sit, with him in you or on you.

alexeyhurricane

As Christ, and the Holy Spirit are both G-d, then it would appear that the OT prophets were in dwelt.

1Pe 1:10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,
1Pe 1:11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

May Yahweh bless you, and keep you safe.

Edwin.

Concerning the prepositions "on" and "in" the Greek word translated both "in" and "on" is the workhorse of prepositions. (see D. Wallace Greek Beyond the Basics). In addition, in the Hebrew the letter for in and on is somewhat ambiguous and is more determined by context.

I would not hang any doctrinal interpretation on the basis of a preposition. I believe in the OT the Spirit came upon persons and in the NT the Spirit, after Pentecost, came to indwell persons.

But after Jesus rose, He breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit" NLT. That was before Pentacost. IMO, being indwelt by the Spirit gets confused with being babtized in the Spirit. Acts also refers to the HS filling the disciples at several occasions. In other words, some of the same people had multiple 'fillings'.

IMO, the Jews had the indwelling HS if were following the Lord and not idols.

If the Holy Spirit is God (& I believe He is) why would one need "multiple fillings"? If we could, say, divide Him up in pieces (just for arguments sake), is a "small" part of God really any less God (in power, majesty, wisdome, etc...) than any other part? If one is filled what does one gain in any "second filling"?

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The instance in John where Jesus breathed on them to receive the Holy Spirit was the Spirit coming upon them as in the OT. John 20:22-23 "And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit." NIV
The OT was in effect until Christ was crucified which brought an end to the dispensation of the law and with His resurrection brought in the dispensation of grace. In the OT the Spirit came upon persons for specific events and ministry; the Hebrew word is lavesh which means to put on clothing. The Spirit came upon them but did not indwell until Pentecost. John 20:22 was the dispensation of the law but Pentecost was the time of the indwelling of the Spirit and the beginning of the church.

The word "in" in the Greek is the word "en" it is used 2,781 times in the NT and translated as in, on, among, by, for, at, with, and within and that was simply a sampling of verses - I did not check all 2,781 verses. In English we have around 100 prepositional words but in Greek I believe there are only about 20 or so. Therefore, we should be discerning when it comes to interpretation and not hang any doctrine on one prepositional phrase.

I think there is verse that tell us that Jesus Christ was filled with multiple spirits

Isaiah 11:2 The Lord’s spirit will rest on him –

a spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom,

a spirit that provides the ability to execute plans,

a spirit that produces absolute loyalty to the Lord.
(NET)
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—

the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,

the Spirit of counsel and of might,

the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord—
(NIV)
hmmmm so many questions and less answers as i dig deeper

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alexeyhurricane

You say,

"I think there is verse that tell us that Jesus Christ was filled with multiple spirits"

Although not strictly speaking of "multiple spirits" the following two come to mind.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,

Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

Every blessing.

Edwin.

Jesus was not filled with "multiple spirits". The notion is that he was filled with the fulness of God's Spirit. The passage in Isaiah (which you quoted and I've heard used in that same way before) is poetic and simply speaking to fulness through the use of multiple referents for the quality of gifting which is received by the presence and empowerment of the Spirit of the LORD.

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Rev. 3:1 springs to mind. NKJV ...These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God...

Also, I would like to quote the Isaiah 11 passage that alexey was referring to as the wording is different: NKJV
I have written these Spirits out so as to number them, rather than as they are printed in the Bible.
Isaiah 11:1-2
...And a Branch [Jesus] shall grow out of his [Jesse/King David] roots.
(1) the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon Him
(2) the Spirit of wisdom
(3) and understanding
(4) the Spirit of counsel
(5) and might
(6) the Spirit of knowledge
(7) and of the fear of the LORD

This breaks down to 7 Spirits--which agrees with what Rev. 3 also says. If we have no trouble believing that there is ONE God (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), why should it be difficult to believe that there is ONE Spirit (Spirit of the LORD, wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of the LORD.) This would seem to me to be the fullness/without measure that we are all talking about.

John 3:34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
I understand this to mean that God sent Christ, and that He sent Him with no limitation in the Spirit. NKJV

Eph. 4:12-13 NKJV for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: KJV

The Colossians Scripture is there to show that Christ is IN us.
The John 3 Scripture says that Christ had the Spirit without measure.
The Ephesian Scripture says that we are in the process of being equipped to become the perfect man--but who of us is yet at the MEASURE of the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Paul is saying that we are his beloved children in 1 Cor. 4:14 and in 1 Cor. 4:15 Paul goes on to say that he has begotten you in Jesus through the gospel.

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

These verses together--1 Cor. 4 and Gal. 4--show that Paul's beloved children were already begotten, yet Christ is still being formed in them. And continuing on into Gal. 5 Paul starts out with Stand fast, which I believe means they are standing on Christ but still growing themselves as they allow Christ (and the Spirit) to grow in them.

This is just my understanding of what we are discussing.

What I am saying is that if we can continue to be filled with Jesus as He resides in us, why would it not also apply to the Holy Spirit?

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