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Again, NO biblical support for any notion of a second chance after physical death to become saved by God..

just heaven or hell, no Purgetory or intermediate state we can repent and receive Christ in!

really NO need for such, as the lord can and does save ALL od those whom he has chosen in the death of christ to be redeemed while they yet live!

Scripture says there is repentance in Hades, I always believe scripture:

28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice

29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. (John 5:28-29 NKJ)

So the dead hear while still in the gave just before they rise, therefore "those who have done good" includes what they did in hades, and they rise to a resurrection of life.

The verb translated "have done" is "aorist participle usually refers to antecedent time with respect to the main verb.

Heiser, M. S. (2005). Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology. Logos Bible Software.


So there is repentance in Hades, a "living according to God in the spirit" with the goal of being saved out of it, by God the Son (John 1:1; 5:22; Rev 1:8; 20:11) on Judgment Day:

13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.[/color] (Rev 20:13-15 NKJ)

"Anyone not found" implies some were found---the objection this is a "first class conditional with no reference to reality" is truly ODD as the clause isn't a hypothetical argument but an inspired observation by John as this event is divinely revealed to him.


The psalmist is glad he can't escape from God's Spirit, that if he were there God would grab hold of him:

8 If I were to ascend to heaven, you would be there. If I were to sprawl out in Sheol, there you would be.

9 If I were to fly away on the wings of the dawn, and settle down on the other side of the sea,

10 even there your hand would guide me, your right hand would grab hold of me.-Psalm 168:8-10 NET


Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. KJV

Hos 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. KJV

Zec 9:11 As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water. (cf. Lu 16:24) KJV

If being rescued from hell was unknown to God's people, how can Jonah see parallels in his experience to it:

Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.


Why call to God in Sheol if it isn't for His rescue from it?

5 For the waves of Death compassed me. The floods of Belial assailed me.
6 The cords of Sheol surrounded me; the snares of Death confronted me.

7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, yea, I called unto my God; and out of His temple He heard my voice, and my cry did enter into His ears.(2 Sam 22:5-7 JPS)


[COLOR="#B22222"]Jesus is very clear, no can cross the gulf from Hades to paradise (Luke 16:26) So there is no salvation in Hades.

Repentance in Hades does not change one's location, or even lessen torment, nothing can change that judgment (Luke 16:24-26), they must live according to God in the spirit that their spirit may be saved "in the Day of the Lord Jesus" = on Judgment Day (Rev 20:11-15):[/COLOR]

Jesus was referring to the lost and the saved physical bodies in this passage being raised up by himself !

Their spirits would already be in heaven/hell all that time, its just that they would be raised up in a physical state at the resurrection, saved being glorified in heaven, lost in hell!

Psalms were not written though for theology, they are expressions of the thoughts of godly persons unto the works and person of God!..

David would know the presense of the lord was with him wherever he went, that was ALL intended, NOT to be a theological treatise of how life after death and gods dealing with us occurs!

The NT especially fills that in for us, progressive revealtion from god, and jesus and Apsotles very clear that ONLY time to get saved by grace of God in this life, after death is the judgement!

Peter doesn't agree, he cites Psalms to prove Jesus is the Christ

27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of joy in Your presence.'
29 "Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
30 "Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,
31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.
32 "This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
(Act 2:27-32 NKJ)

Nor would Jesus agree, he cited Psalm 82:6, and then adds a truly devastating comment that destroys your thesis entirely:

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law,`I said, "You are gods "'?
(Joh 10:34 NKJ)

the scripture cannot be broken; (Joh 10:35 KJV)

Jn 10:34-36 34 Jesus answered, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If those people to whom the word of God came were called ‘gods’ (and the scripture cannot be broken), 36 do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? Context (NET)

For those who want to see the NET.

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Those are part of the so called messianic tassages that David wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit...

Jesus in the psalms is NOT same as using the psalms to prove doctrine though...

Apostles can see Jesus in those references/passages, but that does NOT refer to Second chances, for they do not speak to that issue!

Citing Psalms to prove He is the Son of God is not citing it for doctrine?

What David knew and what the Holy Spirit, who inspired David, knew are two different things.

As I read the passage in question, Jesus did not cite the Psalm to prove his claim. Rather, it was to contradict the claims of His accusers.

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That's the same as proving a claim, that the other is wrong.

I disagree.

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How is it possible to disagree?


42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
43 Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
(Luk 20:42-44 KJV)

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (Luk 24:44-45 KJV)

The apostles also quoted from Psalms for doctrine:

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. (Act 1:20 KJV)

33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
(Act 13:33-35 KJV)

2 peter 1:21
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit

And the bible also states that even while penning under that inspiration, there were still many things they longed to look into, for they did NOT fully realise/understand even what they had written, for much of the full understanding had to wait until Yeshua came and His Apostles received that understanding of the OT passages!

You misunderstood my comment.

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