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I was reading Proverbs 12 today and stubled upon this verse (7):

The wicked are overthrown and [are] no more, But the house of the righteous will stand.

Which reminded me of this verse (Matthew 7:24-27):

"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."

One verse in the Old Testmament, and one in the New Testament, and both seem to be referring to the same thing. It gave me chills.

Let's discuss this! And do you find any other instances of the word (translated) "house," that might refer to something that we are building in our lives? I may have stumbled upon something here, but for all I know it might be the tip of the iceburg. I just know that stumbling upon these two verses has made my day!

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this is what came to my tired mind tonight after reading your appreciated post: 1 Cor. 3:7-15

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One verse in the Old Testmament, and one in the New Testament, and both seem to be referring to the same thing
this is 1 of the numerous way cool aspects of the Bible -- certain NT Passages cannot be properly understood until you read the OT -- it all ties together & is 1 Message

Is. 28:10 -- He tells us everything over and over— one line at a time, one line at a time, a little here, and a little there! (NLT) -- i don't care for how the NET translates this


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I was reading Psalm 12 today and stubled upon this verse (7):

The wicked are overthrown and [are] no more, But the house of the righteous will stand.

Which reminded me of this verse (Matthew 7:24-27):

"Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."

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this is what came to my tired mind tonight after reading your appreciated post: 1 Cor. 3:7-15

A nice and objective OP Psalm 12:17 and I’ll include verse 6 and a correct and meaningful reply 1 Corinthians 3:7-15 which I shall concurred with ff. verses Proverbs 9:1-2 , and Psalm 18:30 in OT
and Matthew 16:18 .
In my reading subject “house” refer to one’s “faith” on which we cannot put another faith to other except by the one who has been sent by Thy Father therefore to our Lord Jesus Christ.
Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
1 Cor 3:7-15 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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Proverbs 9:1-2 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:
She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table.
Psalm 18:30 -31 [As for] God, his way [is] perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he [is] a buckler to all those that trust in him. For who [is] God save the LORD? or who [is] a rock save our God?
Matthew 16:17-18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Like in the parable of the seed Jesus is the sower of the word and we are the different types of soil, according to our faith God shall give increases through the intervention of the Holy Spirit.

All Scriptures are KJV unless otherwise indicated.

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The temple in Jerusalem was referred to as the house of God.

"Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer?" (Mark 11:17, Isa 56:7).

As the temple represented the physical (seen) house of God belivers represent the spiritual (unseen) house of God. As the body of believers form the temple spiritual.

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (Eph 2:19-22)

A house often refers to a family, as Jesus was of the house of David (being in the line of David; David, his father) Luke 1:32, 69.

In the N.T. Jews are referred to those of the house of Israel (Mat 10:6) .

In the O.T. the twelve tribes were separated into the two house's of Judah and of Israel. So the members of the house were of either Israel or Judah.

"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith." (Gal 6:10)


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I am confused. I looked up Psalm 12:7 and got something different.

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Assured made a small typo which I will correct. The quote was Proverbs 12:7

ESV Proverbs 12:7 "The wicked are overthrown and are no more, but the house of the righteous will stand."

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Paco wrote:
this is what came to my tired mind tonight after reading your appreciated post: 1 Cor. 3:7-15

Assured wrote:
One verse in the Old Testmament, and one in the New Testament, and both seem to be referring to the same thing
this is 1 of the numerous way cool aspects of the Bible -- certain NT Passages cannot be properly understood until you read the OT -- it all ties together & is 1 Message

Is. 28:10 -- He tells us everything over and over— one line at a time, one line at a time, a little here, and a little there! (NLT) -- i don't care for how the NET translates this


Yes, it's the New King James.

Quoting your passage from it:

So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor. For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, [you are] God's building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation [with] gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. If anyone's work which he has built on [it] endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

It isn't literally the word "house," but it has to do with both us being God's building, AND the fact that we are building on the foundations that is Christ. (That is, if we are saved. :) )

Your pick is a wonderful one - thank you for finding it!

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Verbatim, I'll have to put yours aside and look at it later. Thank you. You found a lot!!!! :D

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Assured made a small typo which I will correct. The quote was Proverbs 12:7

ESV Proverbs 12:7 "The wicked are overthrown and are no more, but the house of the righteous will stand."


Thanks, RT! :oops:

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HopeofIsrael wrote:
The temple in Jerusalem was referred to as the house of God.

"Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer?" (Mark 11:17, Isa 56:7).

As the temple represented the physical (seen) house of God belivers represent the spiritual (unseen) house of God. As the body of believers form the temple spiritual.

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. (Eph 2:19-22)

A house often refers to a family, as Jesus was of the house of David (being in the line of David; David, his father) Luke 1:32, 69.

In the N.T. Jews are referred to those of the house of Israel (Mat 10:6) .

In the O.T. the twelve tribes were separated into the two house's of Judah and of Israel. So the members of the house were of either Israel or Judah.

"As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith." (Gal 6:10)


Thank you, HopofIsrael! It's a different meaning, because it's something we already are rather than something we are building. But would I think it goes back to the fact that WE are God's building/ house - even "tabernacle" because we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The word applies in so many ways other than what we ourselves are building. Thank you again!

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Thank you, HopofIsrael! It's a different meaning, because it's something we already are rather than something we are building. But would I think it goes back to the fact that WE are God's building/ house –

Faith of every one shall be manifest on the last day 1 Cor 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
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even "tabernacle" because we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The word applies in so many ways other than what we ourselves are building. Thank you again!

A very extreme insight wherein a hidden understanding only the Holy Spirit could reveal, the spirit of the truth which is among us therefore the spirit of Christ. 1 Cor 2:10-16 , 1 Cor 6:19
2 Cor 3:17 and Romans 8:9

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The word "house" and "body" can often have the same meaning. They can be spoken of as collectively or individually. Collectively, believers are "a holy temple (house) in the Lord" and individually they are "clothed" with a "house" or "body".

For example, Paul says:

"For we know that if our earthly house, the tent we live in, is dismantled, we have a building from God, a house not built by human hands, that is eternal in the heavens." (2 Cor 5:1)


Here Paul speaks of our individual body as an "earthly house" or "tent" (tabernacle) in which we live in. The corruptible flesh which decays (becomes dismantled). But there is a "house" or "body" that is eternal (incorruptable) in heaven.


"For in this earthly house we groan, because we desire to put on our heavenly dwelling," (v 2)


Being in this "earthly house" (corruptible flesh or body) we groan and desire to put on our heavenly dwelling (house) or body.

"if indeed, after we have put on our heavenly house, we will not be found naked." (v 3)


When are bodies are changed (by resurrection or translation) and we have put on our "heavenly (incorruptible and immortal) house" we will not be found naked. That is, we will not be found to have sin.

"For we groan while we are in this tent, since we are weighed down, because we do not want to be unclothed, but clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.


We groan because the "tent" or body we are in is sinful flesh (unclothed and mortal) but our heavenly tent or body is life (immortal and eternal)
What's interesting is that if we understand what Paul is speaking of by groaning and desiring to be "clothed" with a heavenly house or body not made with hands, that is eternal in heaven" because his current body is sinful, and also that as he says this comes by resurrection from the dead:

"Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Listen, I will tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed —
in a moment, in the blinking of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.
Now when this perishable puts on the imperishable, and this mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will happen,
"Death has been swallowed up in victory."
"Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?" (1 Cor 15:50-55)

if we understand that, then we may also understand what Jesus meant when he said:

"There are many dwelling places in my Father's house. Otherwise, I would have told you, because I am going away to make ready a place for you.
And if I go and make ready a place for you, I will come again and take you to be with me, so that where I am you may be too." (John 14:2-3)

In the house of God (collectively) there are many "dwelling places" (individually) which Jesus prepares for us, so that when he comes and the dead are raised incorruptible they may be where he is, and as he is, in and incorruptible (immortal) body or dwelling place or house.


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Thanks, RT! :oops:


:thumbup: My pleasure! :thumbup:

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When I think of house I think of a family unit. In addition, house can also refer to one's life in general.

"The word house is often used in Scripture in the sense of lineage or family; thus Joseph was of the house of David (Luke 1:27, marg.; 2:4); offspring (2 Sam 7:11); household (Gen 43:16; Isa 36:3). Heaven is the house of God (John 14:2); the grave is the house appointed for all living (Job 30:23; Isa 14:18, marg.); the body is called a house (2 Cor 5:1-2)."
(From The New Unger's Bible Dictionary. Originally published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois. Copyright (c) 1988.)


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Awesome, GaryM! That sounds just about right, too.

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