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Christians believe the Word (the Logos) is the Second Person of the Triune Godhead,
and that it was this Logos who came to earth and became flesh (Jesus Christ).

“… the Word was God … and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:1-14).
“God was manifested in the flesh” (1 Timothy 3:16).
“That Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God” (Luke 1:35).

But, how could GOD actually be the Son of someone … even the Son of God?
Gabriel didn't say He WAS the Son of God, he only said He would be CALLED the Son of God, etc.
This drove me crazy for a while, because I had forgotten some of this …


Matthew 1:18-23
“… After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together,
she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. … an angel of the Lord (Gabriel) appeared to him
(Joseph) in a dream, saying, ‘… that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.’
… Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,
which is translated, ‘God with us’. ”

Luke 1:26-35
“… the angel Gabriel was sent by God … to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph …
‘… And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son’ … Then Mary said to the angel,
‘How can this be, since I do not know a man?’ And the angel answered and said to her,
The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.’ ”


Several Scripture verses tell us that Jesus never sinned, that He was without sin.
This sinless human called “Jesus” actually had some so-called “parents”.
His mother was Mary, who had man's sin nature.
His “father” was the Holy Spirit (i.e. God), who did NOT have man's sin nature.
So, this is why Jesus’ name/title “Son of God” is NOT so crazy after all.
Jesus “father” really was God ... technically, He was God's Son, Jesus really WAS the Son of God.

Surely, this is the ONLY time that this has ever happened, so Jesus was God's “ONLY-begotten” Son.
This is what I believe, until someone proves me wrong.

And this is why the sin nature is carried in man's sperm, and not in anyone’s blood.
Question …
Did the Holy Spirit provide sperm (or did He perform a creative miracle) in Mary’s womb?
God put curses on everyone involved with the Fall of Man: on Satan, on Adam, and on Eve.
Question …
Why didn’t God mention the tainting of the male sperm?


God’s sinless human was necessary
Scripture reveals the disasterous situation …
sin ==> spiritual death ==> separation from God ==> spiritual blindness/deafness.
Because of his sin, man is hopelessly lost and helpless to save himself.
But, God devised a plan to save mankind … and this is the very beginning of God’s grace.
A sinless human, the Son of God Himself, would die in man’s place!
God declared that this would satisfy Him.
And this is the foundation of His “new covenant” … the other part is for man to believe it.
No more animals shedding their blood … the Son of God would shed HIS blood.
The Son of God Himself would serve as the final, ultimate, and perfectly sinless sacrificial Lamb.

“The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (in general)!” (John 1:29).
The sinless One would take the place of all of the condemned sinners.
He would be our Substitute, thus opening the door to heaven to everyone who can/will believe.


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thus opening the door to heaven to everyone who can/will believe.
Uh oh. So none of us is going through the door to heaven? You said yourself
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evangelist-7 wrote:
thus opening the door to heaven to everyone who can/will believe.
Uh oh. So none of us is going through the door to heaven? You said yourself
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Because of his sin, man is hopelessly lost and helpless to save himself.
Perhaps you should check my order vs. your order.
My order is ... hopeless >>> God's plan >>> just believe (if you can)


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And this is why the sin nature is carried in man's sperm, and not in anyone’s blood.
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Where did you come up with this?

The sin we have is disobeadence.
Every sin both original and actual---doth, in its own nature, bring guilt upon the sinner.

A person do not inherit Guilt, nor are they accountable for other people's sin. Ezekiel 18:20

Eve wasn't born through man's sperm she was created, and became "the mother of all living."

Are babies born guilty of sin?

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Did the Holy Spirit provide sperm (or did He perform a creative miracle) in Mary’s womb?

He performed a miracle!
Did Jesus inherit the guilt of Adam's sin?

Our bleeding Lord hath the key of heaven---He openeth and no mancan shut---let us enter in with Him into heavenly places and sit with Him there until our common enemies shall be His footstole.


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To those who don't believe the Scriptures that teach man's sin nature, I ask ...
WHY then is man a hopeless and habitual sinner?

Any answer is welcome and open to consideration.

Hint: You could always follow the Qur'an, which repeatedly says that man just CHOOSES to sin,
which, of course, is just another area where the Qur'an teaches against the Bible.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:29 pm 
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evangelist-7 wrote:
Several Scripture verses tell us that Jesus never sinned, that He was without sin.
This sinless human called “Jesus” actually had some so-called “parents”.
His mother was Mary, who had man's sin nature.
His “father” was the Holy Spirit (i.e. God), who did NOT have man's sin nature.
So, this is why Jesus’ name/title “Son of God” is NOT so crazy after all.
Jesus “father” really was God ... technically, He was God's Son, Jesus really WAS the Son of God.

Surely, this is the ONLY time that this has ever happened, so Jesus was God's “ONLY-begotten” Son.
This is what I believe, until someone proves me wrong.


So, Evangelist, what was Jesus' relationship to the Father prior to the Incarnation? Did He only become the Son of God after He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb or was He the Son of God from eternity past?

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And this is why the sin nature is carried in man's sperm, and not in anyone’s blood.
Question …

Is this teaching from your pastor? or you own assumption?

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you didn't answer my question.

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To those who don't believe the Scriptures that teach man's sin nature, I ask ...
WHY then is man a hopeless and habitual sinner?


A person becomes guilty of sin because of his own personal conduct.
Sin is what people do (in word deed or thought) James 1:13-15 that is not in harmony with God's will.


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Perhaps you should check my order vs. your order. My order is ... hopeless >>> God's plan >>> just believe (if you can)
I wasn't aware I presented an "order." You didn't answer my critique. How is it that people are supposed to believe if they are in "spiritual death"?


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And this is why the sin nature is carried in man's sperm, and not in anyone’s blood.
Where did you come up with this?
It is my own idea.

I used to believe man's sin nature was passed on either through the male sperm OR male or female blood.
But, IMO, the OP proves it is by the male sperm ... because Mary's blood was involved.

IMO, the OP explains why the Holy Spirit HAD to perform the role of being Jesus' "father".
Because ...
If man was NOT Jesus' father, then man's sin nature would NOT be passed on to Jesus!
IF this had happened, how would Jesus be able to be the perfect SINLESS sacrificial Lamb of God?


Jimd wrote:
evangelist-7 wrote:
Several Scripture verses tell us that Jesus never sinned, that He was without sin.
This sinless human called “Jesus” actually had some so-called “parents”.
His mother was Mary, who had man's sin nature.
His “father” was the Holy Spirit (i.e. God), who did NOT have man's sin nature.
So, this is why Jesus’ name/title “Son of God” is NOT so crazy after all.
Jesus “father” really was God ... technically, He was God's Son, Jesus really WAS the Son of God.
Surely, this is the ONLY time that this has ever happened, so Jesus was God's “ONLY-begotten” Son.
This is what I believe, until someone proves me wrong.
So, Evangelist, what was Jesus' relationship to the Father prior to the Incarnation?
Did He only become the Son of God after He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb
or was He the Son of God from eternity past?
A baby was born, who was to be CALLED "Jesus", and who was to be CALLED "the Son of God".
So, IMO, this Jesus never existed prior to the Incarnation.

I am at the stage now where I believe ...

-- The Word (the Logos) of God was the Second Person of the Trinity,
and He came to earth to manifest Himself as the man Jesus.
Thus, Jesus can be considered to be "fully God" and "fully man".

-- The Son of God may not have existed prior to the Incarnation.
The many references to Him may just be referring to Jesus, who was CALLED "the Son of God".
Right now, I have a problem with this.
The OP explains why Jesus really WAS the Son of God, and why He WAS "the only-begotten Son of God".


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And this is why the sin nature is carried in man's sperm, and not in anyone’s blood.
Is this teaching from your pastor? or you own assumption?
It's my assumption ... based on Scripture + some thinking.
Thanks for your signature ... that's me evangelizing the small villages in the mountains of Bulgaria.


To those of you who do NOT believe in man's inherited sin nature ...

WHY is man such an incurable sinner (outside of Jesus our Savior)?

Now, one may say that God created man with free will to do as he pleases.
But, then WHY does man choose to be an incurable sinner (outside of Jesus our Savior)?

WHY didn't God create humans with free will who want to please God?
But, no, Paul says man is just the opposite ...
man is at enmity with (an enemy of) God.

Why on earth would God choose to create such a free will being?
Aaah, I know ... God is a masochist.


P.S. The Bible has the answer to all of this.


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To those of you who do NOT believe in man's inherited sin nature ...
WHY is man such an incurable sinner (outside of Jesus our Savior)?
Now, one may say that God created man with free will to do as he pleases.
But, then WHY does man choose to be an incurable sinner (outside of Jesus our Savior)?

There was/is a lot of Good people but they don't follow God many because the can't see Christ in the Christian who clame Christ.
Psalms 51:4-6 Does this mean he was born guilty totally depraved?
It don't say anything about Adam, Adam's sin, or that David inherited guilt of Adam's sin.

It do discribe the guilt of his mother---David point is not that he was guilty of sin from birth nor inherited it but he was born into the midst of a sinful envioronment and a sinful influence.

Genesis 3:19 "death" refers to spiritual seperation from God Genesis shows that we suffer consequences in this life for Adam's sin---but we are not proven guilty of his sin.

Genesis 3:15 is the solution as is stated "forgiveness in Christ" We are told "in Adam all died" meaning physical death which all men do suffer unconditionally as a consequence of Adam's sin.
But it is not saying we all unconditionally suffer spiritual death as a consequences of his sin.

Point is: Whatever people lost through Adam, the people can gain through Christ.
Romans 10:3; Christ is the end of the law so there may be righteousness for everyone who believe Romans 10:9; 14-15
Whatever problem Adam caused---Jesus solved.
At what age can a person receive the call of God?

If everyone was unconditionally lost through Adam, wouldn't then everyone be unconditionally saved throught Jesus?
consistency would require advocates of original sin to believe in universal salvation.
Jesus offer justification but it depends on our conduct based on choices we make.


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evangelist-7 wrote:
Jimd wrote:
evangelist-7 wrote:
Several Scripture verses tell us that Jesus never sinned, that He was without sin.
This sinless human called “Jesus” actually had some so-called “parents”.
His mother was Mary, who had man's sin nature.
His “father” was the Holy Spirit (i.e. God), who did NOT have man's sin nature.
So, this is why Jesus’ name/title “Son of God” is NOT so crazy after all.
Jesus “father” really was God ... technically, He was God's Son, Jesus really WAS the Son of God.
Surely, this is the ONLY time that this has ever happened, so Jesus was God's “ONLY-begotten” Son.
This is what I believe, until someone proves me wrong.
So, Evangelist, what was Jesus' relationship to the Father prior to the Incarnation?
Did He only become the Son of God after He was conceived by the Holy Spirit in Mary's womb
or was He the Son of God from eternity past?

A baby was born, who was to be CALLED "Jesus", and who was to be CALLED "the Son of God".
So, IMO, this Jesus never existed prior to the Incarnation.

Since "this Jesus" is the only one under discussion, I will ignore the implication in your response that there may be "another" Jesus.

Have you never read the Gospel of John which opens with:
The Gospel of John, Chapter 1 wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

9 There was the true light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and h truth. 15 John bore witness of Him, and cried out, saying, "This was He of whom I said, ' He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.'" 16 For of His fulness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John certainly believed that Jesus existed prior to the incarnation. In fact, John makes the astounding claim that Jesus not only existed, but that He created everything that is! Hard to figure how that might be if "this Jesus", the One we are discussing, did not exist prior to the incarnation.

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Jimd wrote:
Since "this Jesus" is the only one under discussion, I will ignore the implication in your response that there may be "another" Jesus. Have you never read the Gospel of John which opens with:
The Gospel of John, Chapter 1 wrote:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory,
glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and h truth.

John certainly believed that Jesus existed prior to the incarnation. In fact, John makes the astounding claim that Jesus not only existed, but that He created everything that is! Hard to figure how that might be if "this Jesus", the One we are discussing, did not exist prior to the incarnation.

The Word (the Logos) who was with Father God from the very beginning ... simply was NOT Jesus.

Because Jesus was "fully man" AND "fully God".


"God was manifested in the flesh ..." (1 Timothy 3:16) ... God became man, i.e. Jesus Christ.

Totally amazing ... this (above) HAD to happen ... PLUS ... Jesus' "father" HAD to be God, i.e. the Holy Spirit.


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So, if the Word (Logos) was God, but was not the Father (since the Word was "with" God) nor the Holy Spirit, and the Word was also not Jesus, but the Word became flesh (John 1:14) and Jesus became flesh, we now have four persons in the Godhead to which we assign the name "Trinity" and we also have two incarnations, first (or second, I am not sure which) the Word became flesh and second, the Holy Spirit fathered Jesus. Apparently three of the four persons of the Trinity were God from eternity past but Jesus only became God (or the Son of God) at the incarnation.

This is not the teaching of the Gospel of John nor of any other writers of the New Testament. Jesus claimed to be God; He claimed to be pre-existant:

John 8 wrote:
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus *said to them, “If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham. 40 But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do. 41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”

48 The Jews answered and said to Him, “Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?” 49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me. 50 But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges. 51 Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 52 The Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon. Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ 53 Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.
In making this statement to the Jews (v58) Jesus was claiming both pre-existance and that He is the great I AM. While you may not see it this way, the Jews certainly did, as may be seen in their response, wanting to stone Him.

John's gospel is all about the Word and it is all about Jesus; he is not telling us of two different persons, but of one person, Jesus Christ, the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He wrote his gospel that we might come to know the Jesus who was and is God in the flesh, the God-man.
John 20 wrote:
30 Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

But John is not alone in this teaching. Paul taught the same truths:
Philippians 2 wrote:
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Paul here is telling us of Jesus' pre-existence as God. And that is the greatest mystery and miracle of the Bible, not that Jesus died and then rose again from the dead, but that God became Man. If that is true, then believing that Jesus died and then rose again is not difficult.

So, my recommendation to you is not to figure out whether human sperm is the vehicle through which original sin is transmitted. The Bible does not tell us the answer to that and so any conclusion you draw on that topic is mere speculation. But figure out who Jesus is. He is "the Word [who] became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. "

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I tried to edit the last post but apparently timed out. Here is what I added:

There are multiple "I AM" statements by Jesus in John's gospel. Consider
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John 6:35 Jesus said to them, “ I AM the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst.

John 8:12 Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “ I AM the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

John 8:23 And He was saying to them, “You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”
(Note that "He" is italicized indicating the word has been added to the English translation but is not in the Greek)

John 10:7 So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “ I AM the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies."

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."

John 15:1 “I AM the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser."


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