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 Post subject: Re: Romans 7
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:54 pm 
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Jaraldo wrote:
Who is the "wretched man" mentioned in Romans 7:24? From the context, is Paul speaking only of himself or can that term be applied to all believers?


"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." (Romans 7:22-25)

Paul was referring to himself, to his carnality and concupiscence that draws him to sin whilst his soul yearns for God. It's a perfect description of our sorry condition here on earth and therefore applies to us all. The regenerate man is no longer under the dominion of sin, as the wicked are, but is nonetheless still drawn to sin.

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 Post subject: Re: Romans 7
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:50 pm 
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Thank you Jaraldo for your subject: Romans 7

Here are some thoughts I have had on the verses in question.

Bless you.

Edwin.

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In common with all human beings, I came into this world with a sin nature, a very powerful predisposition to commit sins, and disobey God, this nature is referred to in Scripture as, "the old man", and this old nature is all that the unconverted posses, and therefore they do not have any alternative but to sin..

We Christians, however, have been given a second, or, "new nature", which is incapable of sin, see.

NKJV - 1Jo 3:9 - Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

This new nature only desires to do God's will, but to our horror we find that the old nature has not ceased to exist at all, but is in fact very much alive. In other words the desire to sin is still there, but now we also have a new nature which desires not to sin.

Christians will sin and provision is made for this, as is made clear below.

Have a look at the two types of person described in 1 John,

1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jo 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jo 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

The first person says, "I have no sin", in other words I used to have a sin nature, but now it does not exist at all. All he does is to deceive himself, and the truth is not in him.

The second person says, "I have not sinned", in other words, yes the old nature is still with me, but I do not commit sins, this attitude makes God a liar, and God's word is not in him.

Whereas a real genuine article born again Christian will without hesitation admit that there is still within him a desire to sin, and that is all that I am saying.

His old nature stays with him until he dies, it is only his new nature that goes to be with Christ in Heaven.

And for this reason we are unable to be sinless and perfect in this life.

This is all shown to be the case when you look at.

Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 But now, [it is] no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but [how] to perform what is good I do not find.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

The word, "mind",in verse 25 refers to the, "New nature", and the word, "flesh", refers to the, "Old nature".

Edwin.


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