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Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

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Unbelief is one of the sins that the elect world is saved from, thats the significance of this portion jn 16:8-9.

The Holy Spirit convicts the elect unbeliever of sin and gives them faith.

Paul is an example, he was an elect who in unbelief rejected Jesus christ and persecuted His followers, being blinded by the god of this world, but when it pleased God, He revealed in Him Jesus christ and he became a believer.

1 tim 1:


12And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith [to believe] and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Being saved experimentally is being delivered from unbelief .

16Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

The Fact is, no one Jesus christ died to save, can ever die in unbelief, that would defeat one of the main purposes of His death accomplishments.

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So the false teachers spoken of by Peter died in belief? "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves" (2 Peter 2:1).

Would it not be a bit more prudent to limit our pronouncements about who will be saved, relating to 1 Tim. 1:13-16, to what Paul himself said, ..."I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ"? Making statements not found in scripture could cause us to overreach at times.

surrender:


Christ saves from unbelief, and false teachers are what they are false believers, false christians.

Acts 13:6

And when they had gone through the isle unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Barjesus:

2 Cor 11:13

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Gal 2:4

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

2 Pet 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you

Something the scrpture calls false, dont take to have been true. A False Teacher cannot be a True believer.

Peter writes of these same Teachers in vs 12 that they were born in order to be taken and destroyed:

12 But these[in vs 1], as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption

The word made is the greek word gennaō:

of men who fathered children

a) to be born

b) to be begotten

So that was their purpose, not to be True believers and have eternal life.

So the being bought in vs 1 cannot mean being blood bought, by Christ blood, because Christ blood it redeems from all iniquity and purifies Titus 2:14

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Thats another accomplishment of His atoning blood..

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Sounds to me like Peter has created a metaphor saying that these false teachers are like unreasoning animals who are born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed. It’s the unreasoning animals who are said to be born as creatures to be captured and killed; not the false teachers. Then Peter goes on to say that just as these creatures will be destroyed so also will the false teachers. Why would you want to stretch his metaphor into some doctrine about how some people are born as monsters when Peter uses to it simply to describe the fate of false teachers?

I can’t think of anything else “bought” could mean in 2 Peter 2:1. But even though they may have been bought, if they don’t apply the blood, the transaction really doesn’t count.

surrender:


Besides you ignoring all the scriptures already given you about the effects and accomplishments of Christ blood:

You probably have not studied the word bought here. It's not limited to Christ blood, in fact, when Christ blood is in view, the word for Lord here despotēs is never used.

The word bought here is mostly a commercial word its the greek word
agorazō:

to be in the market place, to attend it

2) to do business there, buy or sell

3) of idle people: to haunt the market place, lounge there

out of the 31 times this word is used in the NT 28 are in a non redemptive context and basically commercial. So the prominence of its usage already is against your understanding.

3 times the word is used with reference to salvation Rev 5:9

9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Now clearly here the blood is in view, and these were redeemed unto God, that means it [redeemed] accomplished an objective, to be redeemed unto God.

The other Two are in Rev 14:3-4

3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

These too are referring to being redeemed from among men by the blood.

Now the Lord Jesus Christ has been given authority over all men, both the elect and non elect, because of His Finished work, in order to give Life eternal unto some..

Jn 17:2

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

As a reward for His death, He has bought in a commercial sense, all mankind, so all belong to Him, to do as He pleases with them, He has the right, the authority based upon His Mediatorial accomplishments.

All things [people] have been subjected to Him for the purpose of the Church.

Eph 1:21-22

21Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

The False Teachers are His, He is their Head[master] as well, but not for redemption of the Church..

Now I know this will be ignored by you, and I will not in the future go to such lengths for those who have already ignored what I have explained, but this is just to let all know, that I can prove my points with scripture.

This would not even be needed if one could accept the fact that Christ's death accomplished and applies atonement..

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He was stating that the Teachers are as wild animals, were born to be taken and destroyed. They were before of old ordained to this condemnation like the ones in Jude 1:4

4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

They too are beast Jude says Jude 1:10

10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

You see by nature, men are beasts, not in the image of God Ecc 3:18

I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

It does not matter how religious we may become by nature and what profession we make, one must be born again..

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Anthony,
You seem to have missed the explicitly redemptive context of the "purchase" accomplished according to 1 Cor. 6:20 and even 1 Cor. 7:23. In both Paul reminds the Corinthians, "you have been bought" (ἠγοράσθητε) at a price by the Lord and therefore belong to Him. This was to those who were otherwise yielding their bodies for sin and were to not do so any longer because they had been cleansed and belonged to the Lord and were to live a manner fitting of the glory of Him by His Spirit. Similarly Paul says to the churches of Galatia that they have been "redeemed" (ἐξαγοραζόμενοι) from the curse and under the Law (Gal. 3:13; 4:5). He also wrote (using the same term) to the Ephesians to "redeem" the time because it was evil (Eph. 5:16; Col. 4:5). In other words, the members of the church had been purchased and redeemed and were to redeem the time they had been given. Sounds pretty redemptive to me. That it does not neatly fit into your theological system is another issue, but it certainly is used as such in Scriptural language in a number of places (and far more than just in the Revelation and thus 2 Peter 2:1 may be read as such as well). In fact, the thrust of Peter is lost if it isn't for the emphasis upon the redemption that of the Master (Christ Jesus) that is rejected is what truly demonstrates the swiftness and surety of their destruction.

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It doesn't say "ordained" and it doesn't say when they were marked out for condemnation. Could've been the moment they decided to deny the Lord, Jesus Christ. "He who believes in him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).

And in no place in the text do I see that it states that they were marked out for condemnation "before the foundation of the world."

"As" brute beasts. Not that they actually "are" brute beasts. Big difference. Again, Jude is simply comparing the fate of beasts to the fate of false teachers--"by these things they are destroyed" (Jude 10).

Read the next verse--"For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same" (vs. 19). Thank you for pointing out that verse; it makes my point nicely. So, no one is saying that men are actually beasts. They're all saying the same thing: unreasoning beasts and wicked men share the same fate. That's all.

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I have given you my explanation, you either receive it or not..

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Why was it important for those He shed His blood for ? It provided unto them redemption per Eph 1:7

7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

The word for redemption is:

apolytrōsis and means:

releasing effected by payment of ransom

a) redemption, deliverance

b) liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

The death of Christ procured the Liberation of His people who had been captive by satan and under his power of darkness.

So all them whom Christ redeemed by His blood are recipients in time of the Spirit of Liberty.

2 Cor 3:17

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

It is written of Christ in the OT Isa 61:1

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

also Lk 4:18

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

So, one of the objectives and effects of the death of christ for His People is their redemption which secure unto them their regeneration, or birth by the Spirit, which gives thm Spiritual liberty !

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I find it strange that 2 Peter 2:2 is even given when discussing atonement, maybe if you wanted to read about apostasy. It would not be the book to go to when wanting to look up Christ's work and what it accomplishes.

to keep it short:
Dr James White, (Soteriological- The theological doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus. )

1) Who is the Master in 2 Peter 2:1?
2) In what way did they deny him?
3) How did the Master buy them?

from your list above:
1. like from the quote I gave, #3. "Is this the Father or the Son? Can it be proven?" IMO it is talking about The Son. Can it be proven without a doubt? NO
2. They had come to the knoledge of the truth, but apparently denied it. Better yet, they are blaspheming "the way of truth".
3. It doesn't say, so no real reason to put my own ideas in there.

I find it interesting a little father down in the chapter...2 Peter 2:17-21
17 These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. " (ESV) emphasis mine

And if they are slaves of corrupion, then they are not slaves of "slaves to righteousness," read Romans 6.
Romans 6:6-7, "For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin." esv, underlinings mine.
Romans 6:14, "For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace." esv
Romans 6:18, "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness." esv
How do you get set free for the slavery of sin? John 8:34-36

perhaps better verses can be found, but I'm short on time.

one last thing, what is your take on it then, *if* it is the Son. And *if* He bought these people with his blood? Are their sins really not forgivin?
*The word isn't potential, but truly bought, as in takes ownership. Used to describe someone buying something from the marketplace or purchasing a slave.*