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I would value your help in resolving the following apparent contradiction.

Thank you.

Exd 33:20 But He said, "You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live."

1Cr 15:6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep.

Every blessing.

Edwin.

One refers to Yahweh (the LORD) at Mt. Sinai...the other to the resurrected Jesus.

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yes, as No ONE can look upon the fulness of god and live, as we are right now in this physical sinned bodies, but we can and did look upon God veling his glory in human fleash and dwelling among us as jesus!

In Exodus 33:20, God is about to show his glory to Moses. In that context, God could not show Moses his face and have Moses live. As opposed to Exodus 33:11

At another time, God was seen by Moses and others.

Exodus 24:9-11 9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up, 10 and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear like the sky itself. 11 But he did not lay a hand on the leaders of the Israelites, so they saw God, and they ate and they drank. Context (NET)

makes me wonder if they saw actually" saw vision" of god as prophet Isaiah saw of God, for no man can look upon the fulness of God and take it in, that is why jesus came as Angel of the Lord in OT to speak to man, and Incarnated as jesus to be veiled in Human flresh so we could see and relate to God on our terms!

Yahweh1.

Thank you for your post in which you mention,

"makes me wonder if they saw actually" saw vision" of god as prophet Isaiah saw of God,"

I conclude you are referring to,

Isa 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple.

Isa 6:5 And I said: "Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts!"

The person he actually saw was Jesus, as is made clear at,

Jhn 12:37 Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him,
Jhn 12:38 so that the word spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed what he heard from us, and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?"
Jhn 12:39 Therefore they could not believe. For again Isaiah said,
Jhn 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them."
Jhn 12:41 Isaiah said these things because he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Thank you to all who have responded to my question.

Could the answer be I wonder, that Jesus is God's Shekinah glory, for that is how I see our Lord Jesus Christ, and which I believe He confirms several times as follows.

When Philip said,

Jhn 14:8 Philip said to him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." To which Jesus replied,
Jhn 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Just what Jesus meant by, "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father", is explained in the next verse,

Jhn 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.

In other words, the conduct and behaviour you are observing is not mine, but that of the other resident inside my body.

The fact that it is not Jesus you are observing is made clear at,

Jhn 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

And the reason why it is written,

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

The Father speaking about His Son said,

Deu 18:18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall be [that] whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require [it] of him.

Jesus as a man commenting on the above verses,said,

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken on My own [authority]; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."

Jesus also said,

Jhn 12:44 Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me.
Jhn 12:45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.

May the Lord bless you all, and keep you safe.

Edwin.

Think that God in his fullest 'sense" is beyond flesh and blood to be able to see and absorb!

that is why as paul said, this perishable body must take on imperishable/immortal form, in order to commune with and see God in heaven!

God became veiled in human flesh as Jesus, so we could see Him, as he allowed himself to become as one of us!

I believe that was another reason for the Incarnation .... so that God could actually be seen and touched ....

but we have to be careful not to just use these verses to "prove" that Jesus was just a very holy man, indwelt by the Holy Spirit ... yes Jesus lived among us as a man, and He lived in the power of the Holy Spirit .... but ..... there are other intriguing glimpses into Who Jesus actually was - Immanuel, God with us ....

For me there is the dialogue in John 13 - 17 .... e.g. this one, where Philip flat out asks Jesus to show them the Father, and then Jesus' stunning reply :

"Don't you know me Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?" (John 14:9 NIV)

and of course the glorious Christ Hymn in Philippians 2

joy

Dinah

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Colossians 1:15-20 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, 16 for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him – all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers – all things were created through him and for him. 17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him. 18 He is the head of the body, the church, as well as the beginning, the firstborn from among the dead, so that he himself may become first in all things. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son 20 and through him to reconcile all things to himself by making peace through the blood of his cross – through him, whether things on earth or things in heaven. Context (NET)

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This might seem off topic but I promise I got to this question by reading the above and reflecting on Jesus as both man and God at the same time...

Anyone have any thoughts as to the "missing years" between 12 years old in the temple and aprox. 30 when He began His ministry? I always wonder about that... if He was enjoying life (Matthew 11:19) on earth (also because He developed deep relationships such as with the sisters Mary and Martha and their brother Lazarus) before beginning the work or if since He became like us (100% human as well as 100% God) if He was God looking out from an infant/child's eyes or if like us He had to come to a realization through prayer to God and the Holy Spirit that He was God. I mean, when I think about Jesus being fully tempted as a human in the desert, if He was God cloaked in a human skin called Jesus the temptation wouldn't be real. But since the temptation was real (the 100% human part of Him) then just as we aren't born knowing that there is another life after this one and have to come into understanding about it... that's how I envision it happening to Jesus ... although instead of coming into realization that we are more than just this body and this life, He came into realization that He was God, (100%) God.

I hope that makes sense... kinda confusing to write.

For us as humans we have to experience a rebirth: John 3:3

Yes, for that was what caused the jewish leaders so much problem concerning jesus, for they saw the coming messiah as a devout human, annoited by the Spirit of the Lord as David was, His claiming to be God incarnate was what caused them to a large extent to seek to kill him off!

Sadly, seems that many liberal "Christians" in the new religious left are seeing jesus in same fashion, as a good religious man, filled by Spirit, used by God, but NOT God incarnate.... THAT jesus seems to be the One that the other religions such as islam would want us to portrey to them in this postmodern age of tolerance!

ristenk

You ask

Anyone have any thoughts as to the "missing years" between 12 years old in the temple and aprox. 30 when He began His ministry? I always wonder about that...

If there was anything of importance for us that took place in those 18 years, then the Lord would have ensured that it was included in the Scriptures.

The information that we do have about Jesus in His twelfth year may have something to do with His Bar Mitzvah

indeed

some have supposed Jesus Performed this miracle & that during those 18 yrs -- John 2:11 refutes that

another item to consider: how much of Jesus' Ministry do we have? -- some have speculated ~52 of His Days worth out of over 1,000 -- & of those, we have only a small portion of what Jesus Said/Did during those days

so i would assert those "missing yrs" are more important than the 1s from 12-18 -- yet they remain a sufficient Witness