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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:20 pm 
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he offers salvation to everyone i mean everyone , all people , all nations , so it is up to you to accept his commands or ignore him!

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Listen to 32K and pastor JH,

I just listened to Paul Washer preach on the "Gospel" for the first time. No wonder you are confused! He preaches a self-styled Lordship Salvation gospel, with endless tangents. Big Edwards fan. He mixes up Justification with sanctification. He's all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't believe in salvation at all. Inconsistent, he seems to get it right, then goes off again. I had to abort, sorry.

I'm sure he's a nice guy and he's a talented public speaker, but broaden your horizons!
Take a break and listen to others. Check out the Theology Program here at bible org.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:40 pm 
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i listened to all theology program about 2 years ago i think i found good jewish story and would like to share with you all

Once upon a time, there lived a man, who during his whole life studied nothing but the treatise of Hagigah. When the man died and was about to be buried, a woman dressed in white came up to the corpse and stood in front of it. When the people saw her, they asked her who she was and what was her name. And she replied: “I am Hagigah and I am praying for this man in the other world, for he studied nothing but the treatise Hagigah all his life, and therefore he deserves that I should plead for him in the other world.” In the same way, all other good deeds which a man performs in this life plead for him in the world to come.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:59 pm 
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and yet, and yet .... God looks on the heart and not just on the deed.

So our motives - why we did what we did - are also counted.

Also you assume that God grades on a curve - which is a dangerous assumption I think, especially as perfection is demanded in OT as well as NT.

Isn't there a verse in the OT which states that all our righteousnesses are as "filthy rags"? (Someone please help me out with the reference).

That is the necessity for Christ's sacrifice - so that His perfect life and His sacrificial death could be accounted to us. We can come to God in no other way.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 6:33 pm 
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In John 1:12 it says to those who received him. It is not a command. It is an option. Do you want it or not? If you don't want it, then don't take it. It's not a command but a condition. If, then. If you want to be a child of God, then you need to accept him. Example, If you want Gas in your car, then you need to go to the gas station.
Now, in this I am positionally saved. I am going to heaven, even if I didn't do another "Christian" thing. So why do we obey commandments? Because we Love Jesus. That's it, no other reason. Some may disagree with me on this, but if we examine the text closely we see that there is only one requirement to be saved; Believe on Jesus. Just ask the thief that hung nest to him. The thief died in disobedience, but at the last came to believe and was saved. Jesus said so! that is a very good word.
On another note; Once we place our faith in Jesus, we start to change. Things like cussing taste bad, and we begin to move away from the things that God hates. Even a new Christian that has never read the 10 commandments will unknowingly begin change and be in a place of obedience.

Isn't God Gracious!?!

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Isn't there a verse in the OT which states that all our righteousnesses are as "filthy rags"? (Someone please help me out with the reference).
(Isaiah 64:6 KJV) But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:25 pm 
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thank you :D

and yes indeed God is very gracious (for which I am profoundly grateful) .... also what astonished me to realise, is that God is so very humble of heart - He accepts us even when we so often come dragging our feet, and desiring the gifts rather than the Giver. Even when He has to drive us to Himself, yet in His love and mercy and grace - and yes, humility - He still accepts us like this.

That is what I can never get over

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Really there is no answer to your question. it would be like asking: how to change the oil on a truck with a hammer. (very crude example I know)
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so which commands i need to keep to get saved?
commandments are not the saving power in being saved, so there is no answer to this question.
but if we break up what you said.
To answer, which commands should you keep? all of them.
And how to be saved? belief in Jesus. Romans 10:9

so as you said,
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aint it God's command to believe unto Lord Jesus Christ??? aint faith and repentance command?
Yes it is a command to the world to believe. 1 John 3:23. But as you can clearly see, the world is unable to keep God's commandments. So yes, in a way believing would be following God's commandment. I would like to point out that the commandment is not what is saving, but the believing is what is saving.

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ok so i dont need to do anything , so i just seat and wait for Big Bang until it happens ,, thats sad
believing and faith is all you need. We are commanded to obey God's commandments, so I'm not saying we should sit around doing nothing. I do those commands out of love, not because I desire reward.


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how abt situation with rich young man???

and i now remembered good verse

The Lord is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you. 2 Chron 15:2

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:24 am 
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how abt situation with rich young man???
Mark 10:17-31. What does Jesus say about him. Mark 10:26-27. It is impossible by men. look at verse 29 too.

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and i now remembered good verse
The Lord is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you. 2 Chron 15:2
How does this tie in with your question? This is to give you hope, and a warning. If you seek you will find. If you forsake he will do the same to you. Yes there are consequences to not obeying the commandments (if that is what you mean). Some consequences might be of this world, but for the most part punishment is by the lake of fire. As the whole human race we are unable to live perfectly(sinfree), so we need Jesus. By Jesus my sins are forgiven, not by the works of the law/commandments.


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abt rich man , my conclusion is that he loved more his riches than God so he didnt keep the commandment to love God with all his heart!

if man doesnt seek God , he wont be saved , if he seeks God will find him . also good stuff abt wise builder who builded his house on the rock and keept the teaching of Jesus Christ and put it in to practice!

but now days people offer some strange Gospel to me that it is all about God you can not do nothing , that is why so called christians dont do anything ! lol

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A question for you.

When you repent do you know that you're forgiven?


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yes if you forgive others if not you are not forgiven!

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alexeyhurricane wrote:
yes if you forgive others if not you are not forgiven!

And you know this because you've read the Bible and that's what it tells you right?


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