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Do you believe that if CIA (in guantuanamo bay were kind,gentle and treated the prisoners like Jesus would,
using the way Jesus would do it using no harsh interrigation techniques,do you think that the prisoners would still confess? do you think that the prisoners could still be converted to christianity?

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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.

Torture is wrong, but punishment is not. Romans 13 commends the sword of the ruler. Our government was slow to devise a method of judgment, but we must also remember that those men chose to place themselves outside of the law.

In earlier days, and if facing the armies of other countries, they simply would have been executed on the battlefield.

John

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"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." Gal 5:6b

Pastor John C. Blackburn

No and no. See below.


War is a terrible thing and should be avoided if at all possible, we should not seek to instigate one, but I also believe we should not turn our back on self-defense either. I am not a pacifist, not even close. If any extremist group decides to take upon itself the harm of people, they do indeed place themselves outside of the normal realm of protection guaranteed them. I did not agree with our policy of preemptive war. I believe it lends itself to the very results we have seen accomplished, our place as a "light upon a hill" was placed under the bushel.

There are a couple of things I see wrong with the use of torture, (By the way where does coercion become torture?) First, it's ineffective. People have been known to just make up stuff so that the torture will cease. Second, it brings us down to their level. Apparently, they haven't learned that torture is ineffective. And really all one has to do is look upon the torturers culture to get a sense just how much power and/or pleasure they get from inflicting so much punishment on their enemies. And finally, if we use torture, we are somehow thought of as the one's on higher moral ground, then it is implicit that our enemies may inflict the same on our warriors.

I am not privy to the treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo. Nor was I privy to the treatment of prisoners in Abu Graibe. Nor was I/am I privy to the treatment of captured westerners who are/were being held by these extremist groups. While I believe we have a duty to treat our captives humanely, I believe our idea of humanely differs widely from what our enemies consider humane. I think there have to be ways (maybe I'm wrong here) to deceive the prisoners into betraying their comrades by some method.

The question I asked above is a legitimate question. Where and/or when does coercion become torture?

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behind closed doors would be my guess. The thing that is odd here, at least with the stroke of the pen by President Obama to close the prision, were are these guys going too?

Some are going back to old habits it seems to me,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/guantanamo_al_qaida

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