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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:31 pm 
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The judgment(there's only one, see Acts 17:31) will take place after the millennium. Christ's coming is post-millennial or more accurately amillennial. I'm going to assume everyone knows what that means so I won't have to give a detailed explanation.

The Millennium is a heavenly spiritual reign of primarily departed souls in Rev. 20:4-6. NOTHING is said about the bodies coming to life on earth. It's the souls OF the dead bodies coming to life in heaven(a present reality). Having said that; at the conclusion of this "1000 years" Christ will return to judge all men, the living and the dead and Satan. This is depicted in Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:7-15 and many other places. 1 Corinthians 15:50 makes it ABUNDANTLY clear that NO mortals can inherit the kingdom of God in it's eschatological form(new heavens and new earth) which immediately follow the second coming(2 Peter 3:7-13).

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The judgment(there's only one, see Acts 17:31) will take place after the millennium. Christ's coming is post-millennial or more accurately amillennial. I'm going to assume everyone knows what that means so I won't have to give a detailed explanation.

The Millennium is a heavenly spiritual reign of primarily departed souls in Rev. 20:4-6. NOTHING is said about the bodies coming to life on earth. It's the souls OF the dead bodies coming to life in heaven(a present reality). Having said that; at the conclusion of this "1000 years" Christ will return to judge all men, the living and the dead and Satan. This is depicted in Matthew 25:31-46, 2 Corinthians 5:10, Revelation 20:7-15 and many other places. 1 Corinthians 15:50 makes it ABUNDANTLY clear that NO mortals can inherit the kingdom of God in it's eschatological form(new heavens and new earth) which immediately follow the second coming(2 Peter 3:7-13).

Hope this helps, God bless

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The Millennium is a heavenly spiritual reign of primarily departed souls in Rev. 20:4-6.

that's 1 view but how do you explain this:
Rev. 5:10 10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.” Context (NET)


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:45 pm 
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Just a thought!
What is the White Throne judgment?
After the millennium at "the resurrection of damnation" Everypne who rejected Jesus Christ gracious offer of salvation will have eternally punishment. Rev. 20:15 Rev. 21:8

The Second resurrection and final judgment Rev. 20:11-15
First Satan is taken care of whose deception caused millions to abandon Christ.

Perhaps, as a mere human you don't believe James 2:19
Apparently the awesomeness of this is so tragic it is hard for anyone to fully comprehend. Rev.20:11

At the start of tribulation period a throne of judgment was set in heaven. Rev. 4:2-3
What is the significance of the rainbow about the throne?

Is it possible that in the midst of the seven years of tribulation judgment, God will show mercey and many will be saved? Gen. 9:11-13
Rev.7:14 shows this to be....Could John be referring to persecution against the church, occurring in his day, or is it to be in future?

Much could be said, Rev. 20:12-14 Now at the judgment it is to late, and the throne is all white and there is no mention of a rainbow.
Before God's authorithy can be compleatly reestablished in the whole universe and before Christ, having put down all authority, can hand over the kingdom to the Father, all the rebels must be judged and banished from God's presence.

What is the Millennium? The thousdand years, kingdom age Rev. 20:4-6 This is when satan is bound in the bottomless pit, during this time; the faithful/martyrs will reign with Jesus Christ in heaven "rather than on earth". After this period Satan will be loosed.


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This is when satan is bound in the bottomless pit, during this time; the faithful/martyrs will reign with Jesus Christ in heaven "rather than on earth".

cw-nf -- did you even read the post prior to yours?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:01 am 
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Rev 5:10 Just a thought! Reigning over the earth:
Rev 5:8 "The living creatures and the elders bow down" Rev 5:9 The song is after the redemption has been compleated, they have been seperated from the world, as wheat from the tares, Matt 13:24-30.

Rev 5:9 "You were slain" For us in the past at the cross.
"Purchased men for God" Slected and saved could this not be in the past? Psalm 141:2
Rev 5:10 "You have made them/us to be" A future work of judgment Rev 3:21 Eph 3:5-7
"And they will reign on the earth" in the future.

The work of judgment is given to the saints as kings and priest during the thousdand years---this assignment would begin at the coming of the Lord in the air 1Thes.4:18
The rest of the dead stay dead during the thousdand years.
This is clearer as you study the sequence of events such as Rev 19:11 Rev 19:14

Where do kings and priest reign? Could they not be "to rule the world" Our reign, as seen in Rev 20:3 during the kingdom age. Upon Christ return the King will restore the Davidic monarchy in His own person , re-gather displaced Isreal, establish His power over all the earth, and reign one thousdand years.
The kingdom of heaven has three aspects "at hand" from John the Baptist, to the Rejection of the King, to be fulfilled.
The Christian reign, chapter 20 describes judging the wicked who were not taken to heaven. They remain on the earth. Rev 20:4.
Just a final thought Rev 19:7 The marriage of the Lamb the "Lambs wife" here is the "bride" Rev 21:9 distinguished from Isreal, yet to be restored Isaiah 54:1-10 the church identified with the "heavenly Jerusalem" Heb 12:22-23


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:21 pm 
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cw-nf wrote:
Rev 5:10 Just a thought! Reigning over the earth:

your style of writing is hard to follow -- if you're suggesting "over" is a proper translation then you'd be in a very small minority -- no major version uses "over"


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The "first resurrection " "is unto life" it occures at the second coming of Christ 1Cor 15:23 the saints of the Old Testament and the church age.
1The 4:16-17 here Christ unites the spirit, soul and resurrected body into the likeness of Himself 1John 3:1-2

What happens when Satan is loosed?
It is important to note that Satan is let loose; he does not escape.
He enters the world again to deceive.
What battle is this?

Mortals will be in the Millennium: Rev 20:3 there has to be people in order for them to be deceived.

Pasco, The end times is hard to follow when you look at just one verse.
Rev 5:10 should line up with Pauls teaching in 1Cor 6:2-3; 9

What is the white throne judgment?
After the Millennium, at "the resurrection of dammnation" everyone who rejects God offer of salvation will have eternally punishment. Rev 20:15; Rev 21:8
Much to be said think about it, do the Thousand years come after the New Jerusalem?


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The end times is hard to follow when you look at just one verse. Rev 5:10 should line up with Pauls teaching in 1Cor 6:2-3; 9

i didn't only look @ 1 verse -- however, the verse i supplied contradicts what you were stating

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What is the white throne judgment?

the final Judgment of the unbelievers

cw-nf wrote:
do the Thousand years come after the New Jerusalem?

no


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:06 am 
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Pasco, said," the verse I supplied contradicts what you are stating"
I believe we are looking at Rev.5:10
What is it that I stated, that you are contradiction?

The Scripture said, Rev.5:9 'with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. V.10 "you have made them to be a kingdom " Matt.6:10 "your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Rev.10:5 "and priest to serve God" 1Peter 2:5 "into a spiritual house to be a holy preasthood"

"Will reign on the earth" I believe that Christians will return with Jesus Christ to reign with him.

could you give some evidence to back up your "no"?
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Something to think about:

Matt 27:52-53 resurrections of saints after Jesus' resurrection
Rev 7: the great multitudes with the chosen 144,000.

These saints are the same people and their first resurrections from Adam to Christ already spending time in heaven

Second or third coming: Rev 14 or 19 depending how you understand the book of Revelation.
The dead saints resurrected first and the remaining alive will also be resurrected (1 Thessalonians 4)- this will be their first resurrection (Rev 20) which is no second death ----eternal life

Now we have the first resurrection of dead saints and alive from Adam to Jesus 2nd coming and spend time with Jesus for 1,000 years.

The wicked after millennuim from Adam to Jesus' coming again will all be resurrected -- their first resurrection with a twist--- their second death to lake of fire ; even satan will be loosed

Now, that the wicked are awake, some wonders why? the Book of Life is open to show them their errs.

Before opening the Book of Life:
It takes time to get to earth traveling in New Jerusalem (Rev 21), 375 sq.miles and height. Satan has time to gather his own armies again to try to encamped the holy city to take it over (Rev 20)

Here is a thought, I hate to be still alive when the wicked are resurrected (like the sea of sand) and satan on the loose. It's like Daniel in the lion's den.

I believe the 3rd coming of Christ not second (second watch and the third watch) and his seventh visit and his last to end all lives, amen.

3rd strike your out...


<300 years to go, Amen.


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Just a thought! Samesame
Matt 27:50 end of the law! Lev 23:10-12typifies the resurrection of Christ, but a sheaf inplies more.
Jesus Christ was a single "corn of wheat" that fell into the ground at the crucifixion---it was a sheaf which came forth in the resurrection.

Rev 7:4-8 Who are the 144,000, could the word sealed be an allusion to Ezekiel 9:4-8 and mean that they are marked as being under God's protection?
They may experience tribulation but they will ultimately be saved by God.
The ramnant out of Israel sealed Romans 11, a "ramnant" in Elijah's time 7000 had not bowed to Baal 1Kings 19:18

John is writing too all people who remained faithful Rev 7:9, 14 and the Lamb will be their Shepherd and He will leade them to. Rev.7:17
The great tribulation is a period of unexplained trouble predicted in passages from Psalm 2:5-6,to Rev 7:14
Involving the whole earth---it is distinctively "the time of Jacob's trouble" Jer 30:7

Chapter Rev 7: 14 The saved of the tribulation period.Who are they? Rom 11:4-5, 7, They are the "ramnant" of the new Israel. Isaiah 4:3 Is this prophecy fulfilled?
We are sealed also Eph 1:13 but I don't think our being sealed fits the 144,000 in chapter 7 0r 14
Much could be said, Who are the first fruits? Rom 11:15-16, 16:5.
Rev.4:2, 7:9 The fact that His 144,000 companions have His name and His Father's name, suggest their identity with the 144,000 servants of God who are sealed in Rev 7:3, while they follow the Lamb where ever he goes Rev 14:4 links them with the white-robed multitude of Rev 7:9, 17

Remember they had been redeemed Rev 14:4 Only Christ can redeem by His blood....They were keep pure Matt 19:12
God puts each new day each new chance of life, into our hands to see what we will do with it.


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Matt 27:50 What law ended? Moses law? Hebrews 10:28
WHo are the 144,000? Rev 7:4 ...of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:14 this great tribulation "what was"
Rev 17 and 18 is the great tribulation "which is to come"
Who were the great multitude? the saints in Christ from the past
Will there be rightneous left behind after the second coming? Rom 3:10-13, 22, 23
Isaiah 4:3 Is this prophecy fulfilled? holy city / New Jerusalem


<300 years to go, Amen.


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What Law ended? Matt 27:50 SEE John 1:17 Grace is "the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man...not by works of righteousness which we have done: Tit 3:4-5
It is therefore, constantly set in contrast to LAW under which God demandsrighteousness from man, as under grace, God gives righteousness to man Rom 3:21-22 Rom 8:4 Law is connected with Moses and works; grace with Christ and faith.
Rom 10:4-10 Law blesses the good----Grace saves the bad.

Heb 10:26-29 "Warning" The Jewish sacrifices lost their efficancy; it is Christ or Judgment.
Abel's righteousness was the result of his sacrifices not his character...By the law an order of priest was established who alone could offer sacrifices. sacrifices ewer shadows, types, expressing the guilt and need of the person in reference to God, and all pointing to Christ and fulfilled in Him. Heb 10:10, 19-21

Old sanctuary of the old covenant were types. Heb.91-10 Heb 9:10-15 the sanctury and sacrifice of the new covenant are realities.
Heb 9:16-22 Sealed by Christ blood.
Physical death is a consequence of sin---All physical death ends in the ressurrection of the body---physical death for the Christian is a joy! 1Cor 15:54, 57 ultimate victory!

I ask, could they be the Ramnant of Israel? Rev 7:2-3; Rev.6:9 Or Saint of old Testament The Great multitude in white robes are a different group, "Redeemed," don't you think?


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I ask, could they be the Ramnant of Israel? Rev 7:2-3; Rev.6:9 Or Saint of old Testament The Great multitude in white robes are a different group, "Redeemed," don't you think?


This is what I believe: Some believe this great multitude came from all of ages; past, present, and future. I believe this happened after the resurrection of Jesus Matt 27:52-53, and the 144,000 Rev 7:2-3 came out from the great multitude: Rev 7:14. Somebody have to choose them, who decided they were chosen ones to be with God and Jesus.

Remnant of Israel? As a nation or as the children of Israel (Jacob)?



<300 yrs to go, Amen.


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