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Will the Rapture happen on the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashana)? I have good reason to belive it will but I was wondering what ya'll thought about it. Maybe we could possibly engage in resonable discussion and come to a different conclusion.

Briefly ....

I would say that no one can know the dating of the Lord's intent to immortalize the church 32K

He has stated this truth without reservation [Matthew 24:13; Acts 1:6-7; 1Thessalonians 5:1-9]

This action will come suddenly with no warning or means of setting the date

I would also suggest that He does not currently recognize the Jewish holy days at this time because of the nation's rejection of Him as King and Messiah

However, this will change during His coming millennial kingdom when He restores the kingdom to a believing remnant of the nation

What we can know is that a remnant of Israel has returned to the land of Israel as projected and surrounded by ancient enemies of the Middle East

There is really nothing else that must be in place in my opinion that would preclude His catching away [harpazo] of believers .... both those asleep and those living at the time

It could happen before this day is over .... or He may tarry longer

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Truth Files

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What Rapture?

I don't use the latin term "rapture"

The Greek term is "harpazo"

What would you like to know about this event?

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Truth Files

I would have thought the same about a week ago. But then I realized that Jesus received the revelation from the Father according to Rev. 1:1. He now knows the time and shared many things about the end with John the Beloved except the seal which is not to be opened (which is the exact date).


The Jewish Holy days are shadows of things to come so they're very important to prophecy scholars. All the Holy Days are prophetic of coming events. Passover was prophetic of Christ's death and what's more is that He was crucified on Passover. Firstfruits was prophetic of His resurrection and He was resurrected on Firstfruits. Pentecost was prophetic of the Church's birth. The Church was birthed on Pentecost. So it's only logical to say that the other Feasts which are un-fulfilled are prophetic of the second-coming. That's why many besides myself would wonder, "Whoa, the Feast of Trumpets must be important then."

Anyways Paul seems to agree in 1 Cor. 15:51-53

Here it is in the KJV:

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Blessings on all, and may the Lord help us in this endeavor to know more.

32K,

I believe that Paul refers to the "last trumpet" .... for the church, not the nation of Israel [the trumpet for Israel will herald the gathering of the nation's survivors at the end of the tribulation period .... Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31]

The first trumpet for the church is the Lord speaking in Revelation 1:10 ... His first formal communication and evaluation

He speaks and sounds like a trumpet as John describes .... He will speak in a similar manner when He calls the church home at His "harpazo" action .... at the last trumpet sounding for the church

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Hi Truth Files.

Interesting view of the "Last Trump". And I agree with you, it isn't a call for Israel but the "rapturo", "catching up" of the Church.

Paul was a Pharisee and understood that the phrase "Last Trump" was idiomatic of the climactic shofar blowing in the Feast of Trumpets. So the Feast of Trumpets is clearly prophetic of the Rapture of the Chuch.

well, 4 of the 7 biggie feasts had prophetic implications so odds are the last 3 will too -- 1st 3 for His 1st Coming & last 3 for his 2nd Coming with the church birth in between -- but since the 2nd Coming is different from the "great snatch", is there any reason to have a tie-in?

even if there is, what makes anyone certain that we'll have the correct date? -- we call today "Tuesday" but does God? -- maybe it's actually Saturday

but it comes down to whenever it happens is fine by me -- so i don't concern myself with this matter

I believe the Lord fulfilled the 7 feasts of Israel perfectly and does make for an interesting subjesct of study!

many folks claim the 1st Coming Fulfilled the 3 Spring feasts (i.e., Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, & Feast of 1st Fruits) & Penecost (i.e., Feast of Weeks) Fulfilled #4 -- so the 2nd Coming may Fulfill the last 3 that arrive in the Fall

how do you differ from this?

I actually don't believe there is such a thing as the rapture, but if I did, I would say that nobody knows when that will happen.

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Jeff

Do you then not believe 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18?

BTW welcome to the forum!

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Randy
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I'm guilty of that too sometimes, rapture is so closely associated with the pretrib rapture that one assumes, rapture = pretrib rapture.
(Not sure if jeffsi is meaning the same thing, but I am assuming he is...)
Post trib, as far as I know, have rapture and second coming as one event/same event. So instead of saying/useing rapture they would just use second coming instead. For example the church I go to, don't use pre/mid/post. They just say "the rapture" (in a pretrib setting), such as I hope your rapture ready so you won't be left behind......Which is one of the many things that burn me up. At least I'm am growing tolerant:/ (and I'm not even sure they would know what pre/mid/post would mean.)

Thanks. I joined a long time ago, but haven't been active for a long time.

I do believe the verses your mentioning, but I think it is a reference to the second coming. I see them as basically being the same thing. The verses in 1 Thess mentions the dead in Christ rising first and then Jesus appearing.
the way I was taught about the rapture when I was a teen is that it was some kind of invisible rapture where people simply disappeared. I just don't see that in the Bible anywhere. I am open to correction though if I am wrong. I've only been studying scripture for the last 27 years and have much to learn.

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Jeff

Yes Tony, that is what I mean.

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Jeff