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Would anyone here who holds to a premillennial futurist understanding of the end-times (not necessarily dispensational) think there is any merit to the claims of certain Christian conspiracy theorist groups? You know, the types that believe that the secular world governments today are under the control of Satan in a more powerful way than before (which will soon lead to a One World government) and that the world is on the verge of revealing the Antichrist spoken of in 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13?

Hi themelios,
I do not belong either to any group you mention but I believe the present secular government indeed is good and
usefull to discipline and govern people. The problem here is the official who ran the office who do have wisdom that come
from God and commonly corrupt and serves on self interest. I did not say all but many but there are only few that
was bless with solomonic wisdom.
Antichrist was aready here since then the reason why Jesus was killed.
Thanks,

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If your asking if I believe the End Times are near, then I would say yes.

What claims of these Christian conspiracy theorist groups are you referring to? That Satan controls the governments of today? I don't know if Satan directly controls them, but I do believe he is influencing them.

Will this bring about a one world government? I believe the anti-christ will do that when the Church is gone, while also forming a one world religion.

not sure we would ever know if they are or not or if it's simply poor choices by mankind

the fact remains God's Plan will take place so i don't get too raptured up about it...

Interesting use of the word rapture. as in getting caught up.

Prophecy well covers how that satan will influence governments and end times; Daniel 9:27 is pretty specific.

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Guy -- goin for the pun...

we see in Daniel that Satanic forces are @ work behind empires (e.g., Prince of Persia) -- are they only behind the biggies or does Albania have an evil rudderman? -- how effective are they in getting what they want? -- these are things we do not know & was my pt

Satan had the title deed of this joint until(!) the Cross but his scene will end & has ended...

I agree on your point about title deed, however I think his end is yet to come. he still has a role to play at the end of the millennial reign of Christ. Satan will be loosed on the nations to try to deceive them and rise up against Jesus in one Final battle. One last Massive world conspiracy. Then, the final judgment and the lake of fire.
Albania and the rest of the empires will all give sway to the Beast.
Did I miss sumpin'? I don't remember anything about Albania.

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Guy -- clearly, my humor escapes you today...

you also missed my "will end & has ended" caveat -- yes, most of Rev hasn't played out (hence, the "will end" bit) but even before the Beginning Satan was toast (the "has ended") as God Knows the end from the beginning

am a pre-mil mostly futurist for those of you playing @ home

I totally missed that, but now that you pointed it out!!! Haha.
I also am Pre, including the rapture thats prior to the trib period. I think that is an area in Rev. we can take literally.
I can't wait to lose weight, when He calls.

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Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen and all of them are extra-biblical speculations containing much error; and they are not supported by the prophetic scriptures

The Bible has the "conspiracy" setting for the time of the end [Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25; Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

The scope and focus of the visions of the Bible prophets is primarily a returned remnant of Israel in the land and the nation's surrounding enemies .... all of these are Islamic today

The Islamic "antichrist" [satan's beast in the human little horn, a king of the northern Middle East] will rise there, confederate the divided Islamic block of nations by forming alliances and by conquering, defeat all other opposition from other nations, invade and conquer Israel at the middle of the 70th week decreed for the nation, destroy the core "great city" [civilization] of the gentile nations, and then rule unopposed for 42 months [second 1260 days of the 70th week decreed]

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truth files-You mention an 'Islamic antichrist'. Where in the scripture is your basis for this? Jack

Jack,

Israel's ancient enemies are the Islamics of the Middle East today

These populations are of the same core ethnic stock of the Assyrian, Babylonian, and Persian empires of the past

The scope of the prophetic visions is a focus upon a remnant of a regathered Israel in the Middle East and surrounded by the 10 significant segments of today's Islamic block [Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan]

This region from the Mediterannean to the borders of India was incorporated into the empires of the ancient Middle East

The prophetic visions identify the little horn [a human king possessed by satan's "antichrist" .... Revelation 9:1; 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18] of Daniel's visions as coming out of the northern Middle East and forming his end time confederacy by making alliances and by conquering the region, and also invading and occupying Israel for a short time

He is called the "Assyrian" in prophetic scripture and he will rule the Middle East and cause great destruction for the other nations of the earth until the Lord turns on him and his followers and destroys them at Armageddon

Here a few additional scriptures for you to reference:

[Psalms 83; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 11:36-45; 12:7; Joel 2:20; Micah 5:5-6]

Those who follow this beast will be the primary populations of the Middle East, most of whom are adherents of Islam today .... these will worship him as a "god"

The Islamics of the Middle East woud not worship anyone as a "god" outside of the Islamic religion .... so this beast in the little horn will use Islam as his cult religion

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truth files-checkng the scriptures you provided I don't see anyone given the name 'antichrist'. All the 'bad guys' listed in the scriptures you provided would make an antichrist, as characterized by John, look like a Sunday School Director. My impression, in comparing those characterized by John as antichrists(people with a deficient view of the Messiah and who attempt to deceive others about the Christ) in 1 and 2 John, is that, in using this term (antichrist) to identify a specific individual in the NT (or beast!) we are without justification in doing so. But if you can point to any specific individual recorded in the NT as antichrist, and so named, I will certainly accept that. Thanks. NIV Jack

Jack -- you've made this pt in @ least 3 threads that i know of -- i've addressed your concerns in each & you've made no rebuttal -- how's about you try once?

1 John 2:18

Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour. (NET)

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. (NKJV)

TF -- i'd agree the "Assyrian" will be some Islamic cat

So what you are saying is that you've bought into Joel Richardson's eschatological perspective? So what Scripture do you have for your "Assyrian" angle?

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