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I have a question

During the millennium, will people continue to age and die?

When will the complete effects of the fall be lifted?

Please give scripture referances, not opinions

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Please let people who believe there will be a millenium answer this question.

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I am no expert in the topic. Here is what I do know:

Rev 20:3 - Satan will be bound for a thousand years.

Rev 20:4-5 - Those who died in the tribulation will be resurrected. (According to Premillenial thought, all those who died prior to the tribulation will have already been resurrected).

Rev 20:6 - "Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.") One might infer from this that men born during the Millenium are not yet free from the curse of death.)

Rev 20:7-9 - After 1000 years, Satan will be released from his prison and will deceive the nations, inciting rebellion against the King of Kings who will reign during the Millenium. Rev 19:20-21 might indicate that all unbelievers on the earth at the end of the Battle of Armageddon are killed, but it is certainly possible that only those actually in the battle are killed. It seems hard to imagine that all non-believers in the world will actually participate in the battle, but I don't really know. Anyway, the Millenium may therefore begin with only believers or a mixture of believers and non-believers. I would tend to think the latter but would not want to die on that hill. (Actually, this whole topic is not a battle that I would want to die for, since it deals in great speculation and great Christian minds have come to wildly different conclusions on the topic.)

Rev 20:13 - Death (and Hades) will be thrown into the Lake of Fire after the White Throne Judgment which follows the Millenium. From that one might deduce that men will continue to die during the Millenium.

Revelation 19:20 - 20:1-15
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Revelation 19
20And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. 4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.


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I am looking for profe from Scripture.

Isaiah 11:6-9 gives a discription of life in the Millennium, also Isaiah 30:18-26; 35:1-10; 65:20-25; Jeremiah 31:3-14

These scriptures show that in the millennium, people will experience abundant rainfall , ample food, longer life spans.

I am wondering, if this is true and who will be in the millennium.
I know the different ideas that are out there.

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cw-nf wrote:
Please give scripture referances, not opinions

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cw-nf wrote:
Isaiah 11:6-9 gives a discription of life in the Millennium, also Isaiah 30:18-26; 35:1-10; 65:20-25; Jeremiah 31:3-14

All these references are the followed by a suppositional opinion,
cw-nf wrote:
These scriptures show that in the millennium, people will experience abundant rainfall , ample food, longer life spans.

Could you please explain how these Scriptures apply to the millennium in their full context?

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Randy asked, could you explaine how these Scriptures apply to the millennium.

I first asked the question if it was true that these scriptures fit the millennium.
I am looking for truth based on Scripture.

The central focus of the millennium is Jesus Christ, it is time of manifestation,His time of revelation Psalm 2:6-9 reveals God's plan for Jesus Christ, His plan will be realized.

Isaiah 11:6-9 will not the millennium be a time of political and spiritual rule?
Political, it will be "universal" Daniel 2:35 "authoritative" Isaiah 11:2-5 with assurances for the poor, judgment for the violators of Jesus the Messiah's rule Psalm 2:10-12
The earthly reign of Jesus Christ will have spiritual charactristics. Isaiah 32:1

The rule of the King Jesus will be characterized by a reign of peace Isaiah 2:4
Isaiah's prophecy reveal many other conditions.
pure worship will be possible because of the presence of God, the physical presence of Jesus Christ in the millennial guarantees these blessings.
the reign of Messiah will be universal, Isaiah 2:3

Daniel 12:1-2 Will these people be included in the millennial kingdom of Christ?
Revelations 20:4 The tribulation saints will reign with Christ in the millennium.

During the millennial reign of Christ, Israel as a nation will fulfill the function they were originally set apart by God for. Exodus 19:6

The Old and New testaments include many references to the kingdom of the Messiah rule and reign upon the earth.
Matthew 6:10 His earthly kingdom, Revelation 20:6 reveals a time line we call in the millennial period.
Many questions much more study needed I am seeking answers.
Most importain is that Jesus is who He said He was Revelation 1:4
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cw-nf wrote:
I have a question

During the millennium, will people continue to age and die?

When will the complete effects of the fall be lifted?

Please give scripture referances, not opinions

Thank you
May God bless


As a person who believes amillenialism best fits scripture, the answer is rather obvious. Yes, we continue to age and die during these millenial last times.

I take it from your question you are likely a believer in some form of dispensationalism. I don't believe there is any passage that makes a definitive answer to your question, though I see nothing that would indicate such great changes as the start of physical immortality at the beginning of the millenium.

Is there actually a group of Christians who doesn't believe there is a millenium?

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f the lion will lie down with the Lamb during the Millennium, than we are looking at something like a restored Eden. I do not believe there will be any death except those judged by the Lamb.

The Millennium is described in the Psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and several of the Minor Prophets. Prophetic speeches are telescoped prophecies. One may find statements of near events, end time events, and something in between events mixed together.

Isaiah 61:1-7 1 The spirit of the sovereign Lord is upon me, because the Lord has chosen me. He has commissioned me to encourage the poor, to help the brokenhearted, to decree the release of captives, and the freeing of prisoners, 2 to announce the year when the Lord will show his favor, the day when our God will seek vengeance, to console all who mourn, 3 to strengthen those who mourn in Zion, by giving them a turban, instead of ashes, oil symbolizing joy, instead of mourning, a garment symbolizing praise, instead of discouragement. They will be called oaks of righteousness, trees planted by the Lord to reveal his splendor. 4 They will rebuild the perpetual ruins and restore the places that were desolate; they will reestablish the ruined cities, the places that have been desolate since ancient times. 5 “Foreigners will take care of your sheep; foreigners will work in your fields and vineyards. 6 You will be called, ‘the Lord’s priests, servants of our God.’ You will enjoy the wealth of nations and boast about the riches you receive from them. 7 Instead of shame, you will get a double portion; instead of humiliation, they will rejoice over the land they receive. Yes, they will possess a double portion in their land and experience lasting joy. Context (NET)


Verse two speaks of both the first and second comings of our Lord Jesus Christ. Verses 4-7 refer to the period after our Lord's return - I would call it the millennium.

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a literal 1000-yr Reign...a controversial topic as is all of eschatology

a literal Reign is something the Jews were expecting & the disciples were excited to be witness to -- it was promised to Mary (Luke 1:32) -- it is part of what is known as the Lord's prayer -- unfortunately, along came Origen who set to allegorize everything he could get his hands on Re: the Word & it took -- this topic is particularly misunderstood as it's neglected by the pulpits, to their shame -- snag The Greatness of the Kingdom (McClain) for 1 cat's view

pastorjohn wrote:
if the lion will lie down with the Lamb during the Millennium, than we are looking at something like a restored Eden. I do not believe there will be any death except those judged by the Lamb
Isaiah 11 speaks to this, esp v4 Re: death -- it appears that death will only be for unbelievers -- Isaiah 65:20 also speaks of death

the end of sin comes not during the Millennium but after all are glorified


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The problem as I see it is that if you ask many Christians what doctrine they believe they don't know.
When words like Eschatology, Dispensationalism, is used, most are not sure what is ment.

ESCHATOLOGU: doctrine about death and it's aftermath...The body of religious doctrines concerning the human soul in its relation to death, judgment, heaven, and hell.
In the Bible two types of eschatology are apparent, prophetic and appocalyptic.

Do prophetic eschatology describe Israel's past experiences and traditions?
If so, do it looks to Israel's future in attempt to give hope?

Apocalyptic literature do not deal with the actual end of of existence; but it discuss the final purpose of creation.
All that to get to Isaiah 65:17 looking past the millennial to a new heaven and earth.
Than Isaiah 65:18-25 describes the millennial, long life is restored, but the "last enemy" 1Corinthians 15:6 is not destroyed.

Until after Satan's rebellion at the end of the 1000 years Rev 20:7-14
One more question.
Is the first resurrection Revelation 20:6, Paul's instruction happining at the same time?
1Thessalonians 4:16-17
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Marv wrote:
As a person who believes amillenialism best fits scripture, the answer is rather obvious. Yes, we continue to age and die during these millenial last times...

Is there actually a group of Christians who doesn't believe there is a millenium?


Marv, I don't mean to pick on your answer but isn't the answer to your last question "Amillenialsts"? I thought the prefix "a" means "no" (or "against") and that "amillenial" therefore means no millenium.

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cw-nf wrote:
ESCHATOLOGU: doctrine about death and it's aftermath...The body of religious doctrines concerning the human soul in its relation to death, judgment, heaven, and hell.
In the Bible two types of eschatology are apparent, prophetic and appocalyptic.


From Mirrriam Webster online: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eschatology
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Main Entry: es·cha·tol·o·gy
Pronunciation: \ˌes-kə-ˈtä-lə-jē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural es·cha·tol·o·gies
Etymology: Greek eschatos last, farthest
Date: 1844
1 : a branch of theology concerned with the final events in the history of the world or of humankind
2 : a belief concerning death, the end of the world, or the ultimate destiny of humankind; specifically : any of various Christian doctrines concerning the Second Coming, the resurrection of the dead, or the Last Judgment



IMO cw-nf's definition of "eschatology" is misdirected and his two "types" are incorrect as well.

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Google eschatology definition of eschatology on the web

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The branch of theology that is concerned with such final things as death and last judgment; heaven and hell; the ultimate destiny of human kind.

worldnetweb.princton.edu/perl/webwn.

I asked a question, do prophetic eschatology describe Israel's past and traditions.
If so do it look to Israel's future in an attempt to give hope?

It is ok to differ but if I have misdirected maybe you could help to redirect me, that is why I asked the questions that I did.
to clame something is incorrect, one should prove/state why it is incorrect.

Gal 6:6; Luke 6:40

Ready to learn that so that others might see the beauty of Christ, keeping in mind not what I am but Whose I am.
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eschatology is the study of end times -- death is not limited to end times so i would disagree with cw-nf's definition

cw-nf wrote:
Is the first resurrection Revelation 20:6, Paul's instruction happining at the same time?
this is a category, not an event

Jimd wrote:
Marv, I don't mean to pick on your answer but isn't the answer to your last question "Amillenialsts"? I thought the prefix "a" means "no" (or "against") and that "amillenial" therefore means no millenium.
ditto, the post did not make sense so i assumed there was a typo or i was very tired (& so misunderstanding something) -- since another asked, i'll 2nd Jimd's post


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Let us not get bogged down in misunderstanding. Eschatology may properly refer either to individuals or to the creation. cw-nf's definition was quite good.

Dictionary.com has:
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1. any system of doctrines concerning last, or final, matters, as death, the Judgment, the future state, etc.
2. the branch of theology dealing with such matters.


I can pull out my systematic theology books if someone wants other authorities.

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