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Sorry, i got "hung up" on the "proper angels whatever forum" Any way by "generalization", I am not sure what you mean. I believe that holding to your positon of a future event pretty general. Do we agree that satan was bound at the cross? I think we both agree that he appears to be very active now. But if Christ did not "bind" him at the cross, satan would have continued to snatch away the Word from God's people. Matthew 13:19: "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side". So I maintain that satan had to be bound so Christ could plunder the satan's kingdom that everyone is bound as a slave. Remember when Adam and Eve fell so did we come under satan's power. Matthew 12:29: "Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house". But now if Christ bound satan at the cross and cast the evil spirits out of heaven as it says in Revelation 12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him". God at that time did not allow satan to have power over His saved children which mostly would have been fine, upstanding members of a pretty conservative Bible-believing church or congregation. So 1000 years of being bound is actually 1955 years that God restrained satan's activities in the churches. But now the "bound" is removed.

my last reply was lost due to a site glitch so i'll be brief...

you need to define what you mean by bound, snatch

Satan was Defeated @ the Cross but the Punishment has not taken place as yet

Christians can be deceived by Satan but that doesn't effect our salvation

in the parable of the Sower, only the last group are saved

Rev says 1000 yrs so it's 1000 yrs, not 1955+

In order to save a soul from satan's power Christ had to die and rise to life again. In this way Christ fulfills the punishment that every one deserved who Christ planned to save. It was in this demonstration that He bound satan by the Word that God decreed. It was then that satan had his opportunity to make Christ fail. Satan failed. But after 1000 years his deadly wound appears healed and Christ releases him from his restriction that God had placed upon him. The restriction is this- satan could not take his seat in the temple - he was forbidden by God. The 1000 years represents completeness which covers actually 1955 years which God has recently revealed through the opening of the 7 seals. Satan throughout the past 2000 years or so has been active but could not enter into the presence of God in the more faithful churches and congregations. But in 1988 God removed His Holy Spirit from ALL the churches and congregations and also removed satan's "chains" or restrictions. Satan therefore went straight to the supposed "bride" of Christ and caused her again - just like he did Eve- to seek her own goodness and forsake the Holy Word of God. God commands the True believers to depart out when we see the abomination of desolation spoken of in the Book of Daniel. God had hidden this whole action til just a few years ago but now that the timeline of the history of the world is known the dates and numbers have been revealed and the date of May 21, 1988 is when the Holy Spirit was removed from the churches so that no one can be saved in the corporate churches or congregations. There is much information that shows this, and many more truths that are being revealed available for viewing and downloading at link removed We must remember that God uses numbers as words and cannot be taken lightly. He even wrote a whole Book called Numbers.

jjirah11 -- you ignored my Qs

your view of eschatology is beyond unique & clearly without Scriptural Basis

most of your last post was utter nonsense

i challenge you to support your assertions with the Word of God

Paco wrote -"my last reply was lost due to a site glitch so i'll be brief...

you need to define what you mean by bound, snatch

Satan was Defeated @ the Cross but the Punishment has not taken place as yet

Christians can be deceived by Satan but that doesn't effect our salvation

in the parable of the Sower, only the last group are saved

Rev says 1000 yrs so it's 1000 yrs, not 1955--------Yes I agree my reply was pretty nonsensical. Perhaps I should not have used the word "snatch" when talking about satan "catching away that which was sown in his heart". Not sure if it makes a difference though. Okay maybe you can expound on what you mean by "the punishment has not taken place yet" ? Are you saying that there will be a time when satan will be bound for a thousand literal years? And then his punishment will be administered? Because if you are I am not familiar with that theology. but please share. And disregard all that other "stuff" I was talking about. You know about satan setting himself up where he ought not be. But in reading your post you only asked about the word "bound" or "snatch", so I maybe overdid the "bound" answer but I did the best I could. Lord knows. Thanks for any help that you can prayerfully give me to set me straight. - John

do not take anyone's word for anything but search the Scriptures to prove whether what is said/written jives with the Word (Acts 17:11)

Rev. 20:10 defines what this Punishment will be

yes -- read Rev. 20:1-3 -- "bound" means confined & unable to interact with mankind (i don't have access to my Greek info presently so the definition is from my understanding of the Context)

there's 1 more battle 1st -- read all of Rev. 20 for answers

Paco, I see what you are saying but it certainly is a difficult passage. Especially if Christ has not already bound satan at the cross. What about the "deadly wound" that satan receives? Or has he already received it?

which verse are you referring to here?

KJV - Rv:13:3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rv:13:12: And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

that's what i thought you were talking about -- the beasts of Rev 13 are not Satan but 2 individuals -- some folks look @ Zech. 11:17 as a clue to the physical appearance of the coming world leader -- now, Satan eventually enters into this beast (like he did Judas)

i should pt out that the most imp aspect of Rev & end times is not the seals, trumpets, bowls, beasts but the 2nd Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ so try & keep all this in perspective

Paco wrote - "that's what i thought you were talking about -- the beasts of Rev 13 are not Satan but 2 individuals -- some folks look @ Zech. 11:17 as a clue to the physical appearance of the coming world leader -- now, Satan eventually enters into this beast (like he did Judas)

Could Obama be the world leader or could Hitler have been indwelled by satan or was Stalin, or maybe Mussolini??? Can we as True believers see these "things" happen as it occurs? And who or what comes as the anti-christ? will he be a man or satan ? And how do we know if somebody is "indwelt" by an evil spirit? and How will we know when satan identifies himself as satan? Many people have said that they were possessed by satan and may have just had a bad reaction to legal or illegal medication?? Try to answers these questions one at a time because I believe you are saying that you have some information that will guide us all. I do believe you have many answers and by God's great guidance you will faithfully share all that you have learned from the Bible with us.Thanks - John

BTW, any idea of why Judas killed himself after being indwelt by satan?

your preoccupation with this topic is troubling -- eschatology is an ancillary doctrine yet it seems to be all you wish to talk about -- nevertheless, i will attempt to briefly answer your Qs

Obama -- so far, no -- the "coming world leader" won't be revealed until the Church is raptured (2 Thes. 2) -- so we won't know till we're gone & then we won't care! -- so why care know?!

Hitler & Mussilini -- no, for the reason above

we'll be in heaven -- i do not know if we'll be Allowed to "watch things unfold" -- it won't matter then so i personally do not care

he will be a man though Satan eventually indwells him

the Spirit of Discernment must be Given by God

when do you see this happening as I do not recall it from Scripture as a future event

yes -- demonic possession takes place today but not everyone who claims it is correct

the most important reason is it fulfilled prophecy

Paco -"your preoccupation with this topic is troubling -- eschatology is an ancillary doctrine yet it seems to be all you wish to talk about -- nevertheless, i will attempt to briefly answer your Qs" - Hey you have to remember that this is the REVELATION forum! Would you rather I ask you about "free will" versus God's Wil"? or Who chooses whom?? Please just patiently answer the questions or you may ask and I will answer any of yours concerning the Last Days and the book of Revelation that Christ says in
(KJV)Rv:5:5: And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. --- I am sorry, but we can not begin to understand the Book of Revelation until the Lamb that was "slain from before the foundation of the world" opens them. Which has been happening without you realizing it.

yes, but every thread i run into of your seems to be focused on this -- Rev is 1 of my fav Books but i also understand the need for balance -- you have not demonstrated this so far with your posting choices, hence my caution

i would completely disagree -- we all have the Spirit so we can understand the Book -- we are also Commanded to read it so your stmt doesn't jive with the Word

the bit about the Seals i'll save for another time as other tasks beckon...