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perhaps because many Christians have examined the view & discounted it -- jus sayin' <shrug>

Or perhaps they aren't taught and exposed to this view. If someone is to teach revelation, one should do so and present all views. Not force feed one view. Then let the student decide which view makes more biblical sense.

why assume this to be the norm?

Neither do I. At present, Babylon is uninhabited. Now Baghdad, that's another story.

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Not all those who wander are lost.

Just from what hear, see (modern books) and from talking with other Christians.

that's not exactly true -- it's not a sprawling metropolis but it has inhabitants

what books/resources would you recommend? -- if memory serves, 1 of the cats in here took your position in the articles area

The first book I would recommend is the bible, interpret the bible with the bible. Besides that, "Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church", by Gary Demar. Find his book and others here http://www.americanvision.com/categories/Search-By-Author/DeMar%2C-Gary/. Lately I'm been listening to the End Times according the the bible by Ed Budd.

so how do those 2 individuals not force feed 1 view? -- or is a teacher not force feeding if what they espouse agrees with you?

I have the choice not to listen or pick up the book, or refuse to believe what heard or read. For that matter, I guess I can choose to turn off the radio. I see your point Paco, thanks, I guess my choices in Churches are pretty slim!

I guess I'm very stupid, I think I should be silent and let the scholar hash it out.

i don't understand you -- you claim: then tout 2 cats who espouse 1 view

just remember, eschatology is ancillary so don't become fixated on whatever it is you believe about it @ the moment

I'm not sure what you are asking, do you want me to name names of who teaches one view of eschatology? Like Hal Lindsey or John Hagee?

Yes, I am presenting my opinion and point of view here, but if I was to teach it to others in a classroom setting, I would present more then one view. Then I would explain why I hold to my view.

Are you sure? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was just ruins, except for a plan by Saddam Hussein to reconstruct it, doing a large amount of archaeological damage in passing.

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this is what i've heard from friends in the military & some missionaries -- i have no reason to doubt them

it is interesting that the city named most in the Bible after Jerusalem is Babylon

the literal works for me today for Rev. 17-18 but it may be proven wrong -- of course, it's more effective studying Jesus & Jerusalem than Satan & Babylon so the identity of the later isn't a big deal to me

the blue part explains your previous stmt -- Hal has some interesting ideas tho i don't agree with everything he says -- i don't listen to Hagee

fwiw -- in case you hadn't already guessed...am a pre-trib rapture, premillennialist, quasi futurist -- preterism makes zero sense to me -- historism holds more sway but i don't buy it -- idealism is nonsense

Hello,

Mystery Babylon.

In my humble opinion - - - - there are several places in the Bible - - that do not seem to match TODAYS world. Mystery Babylon, appears to be one.

Notice however - - the qualifier. "TODAYS world."

Easiest way to understand Babylon being destroyed for all time - - is to realize that - - perhaps it needs to be rebuilt, before it can be destroyed for all time? And since the folks over there, are trying to rebuild it - - perhaps - - this verse will fit better in a FUTURE time?

I look at the City of the 7 hills - - that WILL be destroyed with the Woman in the same light. If I cannot spot this city - at the moment, then obviously such a huge rich city needs to yet be built.

And that means - - no matter WHAT insane preachers say - - - there may just be some time yet - - . Yes, the Lord may take ME tomorrow, or even today, but - - - - - the world is going to keep turning, until things come to a true boil.

Yes - - the USA may be in for some bankruptcy troubles... but - - that does not necessarily mean anything - except - - we spent too much, and followed the wrong leaders down the wide debt path.


Bert

"...And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”(NKJV)

Although many here claim to see a sincretic religious superpower, I see an economic, political and military superpower epitomizing the kind of God defiant human rule that started with the tower of Babel. This is what Babylon was, not a religious entity, but a great city state that was considered the world superpower of those days. It was then followed by Rome during the Roman Empire and subsequently by Baghdad during the Abbasid Caliphate.

The cities representing the United Nations Security Council Nuclear nations might be that woman which reigns over the kings of the earth.