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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:06 pm 
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The use of the expression “Son of God only occurs in two places in the New Testament; One is in the Gospel of John Where John the Baptist uses the expression in Ch. 1 vs. 34 and Nathanael acknowledges Jesus in threefold fashion Rabbi, “son of God” and Israel’s king in vs. 49. The other occurrence is in Matthews’s account of the temptation in the Wilderness, where the Devil tempts Jesus and calls him the son of God.
Looking at 1 John 2:18-24 where John makes reference to the antichrist as one who does not acknowledge that Jesus is the son of God; “There is no truth in them”
It would appear at first glance that the devil could not be the antichrist(s), (I know better), but since he has acknowledged Jesus as the Son of God, where does this stand in the grand scheme of things redemptivily speaking?
Perhaps the train of thought is that, one need to follow and obey Christ in order to accept him as the son of God rather than acknowledge his heavenly prerogative.
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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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Actually "Son of God" (or "the Most High" or "the living God") occurs numerous times in the NT: Matthew 4:3, 6; 8:29; 14:33; 16:16; 26:63; 27:40, 43, 54; Mark 1:1 (though textually questionable); Mark 3:11; 5:7; 15:39; Luke 1:32, 35; 3:38 (of Adam); Luke 4:3, 9, 41; 8:28; 22:70; John 1:34, 49; 5:25; 11:27; 19:7; 20:31; Acts 9:20; Romans 1:4; II Corinthians 1:19; Gal. 2:20; Eph. 4:13; Heb. 4:14; 6:6; 7:3; 10:29; I John 3:8; 4:15; 5:5, 9, 10, 12, 13, 20; Rev. 2:18. I have not included all of those times where "Son" has God as the referent (whether due to the wider context or by implication). The statement of I John 2:18-24 is actually to not believing (ie confessing and living accordingly) that Jesus is the Christ (certainly there are issues also involved with the relation of the Son to the Father with regard to this, but it is specifically the denial of Jesus as the Christ in this passage). Would you be able to restate your question in a different manner as I'm not certain I understand it (though likely others here do and they may reply accordingly).

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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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It would appear at first glance that the devil could not be the antichrist(s), (I know better), but since he has acknowledged Jesus as the Son of God, where does this stand in the grand scheme of things redemptivily speaking?
Kola, when did Satan acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God?

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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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also, acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God is not just saying the words ... anyone can say the words (as we see in the Gospel records where Jesus drives out demons).

Rather it means acknowledging from the heart, mind, soul, and body - the whole person. It also involves surrender and obedience to the Lord who is acknowledged.

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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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Sorry for the lack of responding in a timely fashion and for the confusion on my post, I have been busy. I actually have joined two thoughts together mistakenly, one being the title used in John’s gospel and that used in Matthew’s (4:3) by Satan. The material follows below concerning the two choices; I was looking for consensus on which translation. In adversely, I reckoned in another thought the calling out of Anti-Christ(s) using the titles son of God without the belief factor and as recognition of the evil side, not acknowledging Jesus as the son of God in 1 John’s gospel (2:18-24). In hindsight evil can use the term, and believe but following is another matter IMHO. Again the focus was on the former question.


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“that this is the Son of God” This same title is used by Nathanael in John 1:49. It is also used by Satan in Matt. 4:3. There is an interesting Greek manuscript variant found in MSS P5 and m* which has “the Chosen One of God” instead of “the Son of God.” The phrase “Son of God” is common in John. But, if one follows the rational tenets of textual criticism, then the most awkward and unusual wording is probably original then there is at least a possibility of the alternate translation even though the manuscript witness is limited. Gordon Fee discusses this textual variant in his article “The Textual Criticism of the New Testament” pp. 419–433 in the introductory volume to The Expositor’s Bible Commentary:
“In John 1:34, did John the Baptist say, ‘This is the Son of God’ (KJV, RSV) or ‘This is God’s Chosen One’ (NEB, JB)? The MS evidence is divided, even among the early text-types. ‘Son’ is found in the key Alexandrian witnesses (P66, P75, B, C, L copbo) as well as in several OL (aur, c, flg) and the later Syriac witnesses, while ‘chosen One’ is supported by the Alexandrian P5, m, copsa as well as the OL MSS a,b,e,ff2, and the Old Syriac.
“The question must finally be decided on internal grounds. As to transcriptional probability, one thing is clear: the variant is intentional, not accidental (cf. Bart D. Ehrman’s The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, pp. 69–70). But did a second century scribe alter the text to support a kind of adoptionist Christology, or did an orthodox scribe sense the possibility that the designation ‘Chosen One’ might be used to support adoptionism, and so alter it for orthodox reasons? In terms of probabilities, the latter seems far more likely, especially since ‘the Son’ is not changed elsewhere in the Gospel to fit adoptionist views.
“But the final decision must involve exegesis. Since what John the Baptist said was almost certainly intended to be messianic and not a statement of Christian theology, the question is whether it reflects the messianism of such a passage as Psalm 2:7 or that of Isaiah 42:1. In light of the suffering, or paschal, lamb motif of John 1:29, it is surely arguable that ‘Chosen One’ fits the context of the Gospel” (pp. 431–432).

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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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Kola

also, acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God is not just saying the words ... anyone can say the words (as we see in the Gospel records where Jesus drives out demons).

Rather it means acknowledging from the heart, mind, soul, and body - the whole person. It also involves surrender and obedience to the Lord who is acknowledged.



I'd like to know that one to, I am only aware of Satan's startement

'If you are the Son of God', Which is in effect challenging the statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Son of God usage
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Demons called Jesus the Son of God a few times if I recall. Definitely did in Mark 5:7

Not quite Satan, but I guess they're in cahoots (or are they... sometimes I wonder).

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