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I have never heard of the seven laws of Noah. They list you gave sounds almost identical to the 10 commandments of Moses. These principles (laws) are recorded throughout the Bible but not a specific list such as Moses' law which was a list given to him by God.

I prefer Jesus' version

Mark 12:28-31 28 Now one of the experts in the law came and heard them debating. When he saw that Jesus answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus answered, “The most important is: ‘Listen, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Context (NET)

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dcljoy,

I also prefer Jesus' version. Both of the answers he gave are to be found in the OT.

Dt 6:4-5 4 Listen, Israel: The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! 5 You must love the Lord your God with your whole mind, your whole being, and all your strength. Context (NET)

Lev 19:18 18 You must not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people, but you must love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord. Context (NET)

The question is a pretty standard quiz question one might expect from an expert in the law.

I think these commandments can be reconciled with either Mosaic law or Noahic law. However, neither of those two sets of laws get rid of the need for a savior. People can't live up to the terms of those laws, so we need to be forgiven.

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Maccabaeus

who is YOU ? ....

but if you were referring to my post, then the Jesus I was referring to was the One described in the NT, most fully described in John 1:1-18

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God .....
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us ...." (NIV)

Jesus was born as a man of Jewish race and descent .... the whole OT tells us of the preparation for His coming.

I don't understand your reference to the Holocaust as we are speaking of God's Laws - you began with the OT, and my comment was to point out that Jesus both clarifies and completes the Law.

in Christ

Dinah

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Strider

yes, I should have clarified .... if we read the whole reference, then Jesus makes a final comment :

Matthew 22:41-46 " .............. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

the 10 commandments are traditionally divided into 2 parts the first 4 pertaining to our relationship with God and the last 6 to our relationship with each other.

So then, if we love the Lord our God with our whole being, then we will not willfully transgress any of the first 4, and if we truly love our neighbour as ourselves, then we will certainly not trangress the last 6 either ....

and I think that is what Jesus is getting at ... from the other discourses in Matthew, it appears that the Pharisees were putting more and more 'laws' around the Law which came to have the result of actually nullifying God's intent in giving the Law. No doubt, many of them were sincere, but it is obvious that others used these 'by-laws' to get around actually obeying what God had plainly told them to do e.g. looking after mother and father.

And I totally agree with your last point .... in fact I wonder if part of the reason for the giving of the Law was to show us that we cannot completely fulfill in our own power .... especially in the way that Jesus explained it as not just the actual physical act, but including our thoughts and the desires of our hearts.

But both of these basic sets of laws are the bare minimum required for people to live together as a group.

in Christ

Dinah

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YOU: Both of these basic sets of laws are the bare minimum required for people to live together as a group.
ME: That comment comes from a very intelligent, well-read person such as yourself. I'd say at least half the others in the population NEED TO BE TAUGHT these things slowly and patiently until they UNDERSTAND it as you do!

Basically much sin can be prevented by teaching stupid people more 'basic sets' of Christian faith! Until then, imbeciles will rule our streets at night until spankings are made very real....

God bless and Shalom!

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Jesus Christ is King both in this world and the next. That, not the Ten Commandments, is a given if you are a Christian, and soon enough every knee shall bow, as I gladly do in Church. Thank you for explaining me more clearly than I could!

God bless and Shalom, Maccabaeus34 (You have to be a Jesuit priest to obtain the 34th degree of Freemasonry, Hee, hee, hee) Just Kidding, my Christian bro'

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The Stone the builders rejected has become the Cornerstone. By the LORD this has been done and it is wonderful in our eyes.
- Psalms 118:22-23

You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church, and the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it.
- Matthew 16:18