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 Post subject: Theological History
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:01 am 
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Hello,

Please give me a summary of the theological history of the church dating from 1st century to 381?

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:32 pm 
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Is this an open book quiz?

This is a discussion forum - not a forum to test one another knowledge. Is there some particular issue or subject during that time period which you would like to discuss?

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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Try J.N.D Kelly Early Christian Doctrines

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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It won't get you all the way to 381, but you can get to the 320s by reading Eusebius. His writings are available online. He was a bishop of the church and wrote the church history to that point.

He's easy reading.

He does emphasize the parts of the church he knows best, but his writings are very helpful.

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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You could add something like Stuart G Hall Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church
Subtitled: A Companion to A New Eusebius and Creeds, Councils and Controversies.

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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Thanks Guys, for the information. I definitely can use this to complete my research. :D

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Cynthia, one more word in support of Eusebius.

Sometimes when we read modern texts about ancient texts, the modern texts clarify by helping describe the local environment.
Other times when we read modern texts about ancient texts, the writers tend to push aside the portions they don't understand or don't agree with.

So going back to the original is always a good idea -- something like reading the Bible first then reading the commentaries on it.

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Thanks. information most valuable. :)
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And let's not forget Latourette's, Schaff's or Shelly's Church Histories for general overviews. Also, as mentioned before check into the writings of the early church fathers for what they though during their respective times. Then it all depends on how focused you want to become. I have a volume about the crisis of church and state in the medieval church. Covers about a hundred years of so. Good scholarship, lots of citations.

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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I have been doing some reading here at CCEL.org. NewAdvent.org has been an excellent find as well. This link will take you back to 325 and earlier, to Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, who both wrote in the second century. Irenaeus was a student of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the Apostle John.

http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

Then I just did a websearch on Martyr and Irenaeus and there are quite a few cites on those guys.

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Oh and I forgot two others which might be of use. John Hannah's "Our Legacy" and Olsen's "The Mosaic of Christian Beliefs."

English Translations of patristic material abounds at http://www.ccel.org as gymbo rightly pointed out.

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I really started to peruse the ccel.org link this morning and I am amazed so far at what I am reading. I skimmed over the table of contents of "The Apostolic Fathers with Ignatius and Justin Martyr", I scrolled around and read a few chapters, then came upon Ignatius' Epistle to the Smyrnaens. From what I can tell, it was written around the mid to late first century, which makes it pretty darned old! The note on Ignatius says he lived from AD 30-107. It is interesting that there is even a note about Ignatius linking back to Matthew 18:2, apparently stating that little baby Iggy might have been the baby that Jesus was referring to. I doubt there is any proof of this, or how solid the evidence is, but I guess it does not really matter if it is true or not, though it is intriguing to speculate on. The title of the chapter (most of which are very short) that caught my eye in light of some other discussions was "Honour the bishop". Here is most of it:

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And [the Scripture saith], “My son, honour thou God and the king.”10361036 Prov. xxiv. 21. And say I, Honour thou God indeed, as the Author and Lord of all things, but the bishop as the high-priest, who bears the image of God—of God, inasmuch as he is a ruler, and of Christ, in his capacity of a priest. After Him, we must also honour the king. For there is no one superior to God, or even like to Him, among all the beings that exist. Nor is there any one in the Church greater than the bishop, who ministers as a priest to God for the salvation of the whole world. Nor, again, is there any one among rulers to be compared with the king, who secures peace and good order to those over whom he rules. He who honours the bishop shall be honoured by God, even as he that dishonours him shall be punished by God. For if he that rises up against kings is justly held worthy of punishment, inasmuch as he dissolves public order, of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,10371037 Comp. Heb. x. 29. who presumes to do anything without the bishop, thus both destroying the [Church’s] unity, and throwing its order into confusion? For the priesthood is the very highest point of all good things among men, against which whosoever is mad enough to strive, dishonours not man, but God, and Christ Jesus, the First-born, and the only High Priest, by nature, of the Father. Let all things therefore be done by you with good order in Christ. Let the laity be subject to the deacons; the deacons to the presbyters; the presbyters to the bishop; the bishop to Christ, even as He is to the Father. As ye, brethren, have refreshed me, so will Jesus Christ refresh you.


On another thread, someone kept asking for some early church writings that might describe a perpetual authority that was given to the office that Peter held, so I might post this over there as I think this starts to speak to that question, especially since it only speaks of one bishop overseeing many presbyters, who in turn oversee many deacons (and presumably elders?). I am guessing there is quite a bit more here that I have not even begun to discover, so I will do a little more chapter skimming if time allows this morning and see what pops up. I suppose I should just buy these writings in book form so I have them readily available, but it is also very convenient to have things like this readable on the internet so people can share passages via copying and pasting.

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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I really like Church History in Plain Language by Bruce E. Shelley

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it is good isn't it ..... also I find that a great book to give people as most can understand it and get something out of it.

Another great book is by Kenneth Scott Lattourette, which goes into more depth.

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 Post subject: Re: theological history
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I found several of his books. Which of them are you referring to?

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