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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:08 am 
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I couldn't find a classical art category, just movies, books and etc...

In this classic oil on canvas, Hendrick Goltius(1558-1670) portrays the Old Testament story of Lot and his Daughters. It's highly symbolic. In the far background is a tiny pillar of salt, symbolizing Lot's wife looking on. Further down, hiding between two trees, is a fox.
The fox symbolizes the evil cunning of women. At the very bottom is a dog giving itself
a pedicure. This symbolizes a dog giving itself a pedicure, or what we artists call, "running out of ideas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lot_a ... ghters.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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And Sodom & Gomorrah burning in the background, so we are informed.

I suppose the seduction (which did not happen) symbolises the relations the daughters had with Lot, as a graphic portrayal of those relations would not have been acceptable.

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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A Caravaggio:

Unlike the last, nothing funny about this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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I like this one better. "Ecce Homo" (Behold the Man), by Antonio Ciseri (1871)

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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Cale,
I followed Jenns instructions but my jpg never comes through. Let's try again with doubting Thomas:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carav ... dulity.jpg


This time I left a space at begin and end...

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Testing. This one seems to work. It says "upload??" unlike the others...

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If this one works I think I've got it:

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Notice the same guy?? in John the Baptist's beheading. Favorite model?

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some wiki image links won't work with the img tags, not sure why :)

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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Gideon and Serendipity thanks for displaying the art - my favorite is the Ecce Homo. My dad's Catholic Family Bible has some beautiful plates of artwork from various artists throughout the OT and NT.


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Jennifer Dent wrote:
some wiki image links won't work with the img tags, not sure why :)


Jenn,
I found that by double clicking the wiki jpg, that version has "upload" in the URL. This has worked so far in my tests above. crossing fingers :-)

Gary,

I have that bible! When I get a chance, I have to hunt it down and maybe post a favorite or two from it for you.

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The images above use chiaroscuro to obtain the optical illusion of depth, a technique popularised and used heavily by Raphael. The Pre-raphaelites objected to this deception, claiming that such phenomena never existed in real life, nature. Thus their technique of faithfully reproducing the effect of natural light on every colour and object. This was not the only custom and practice they objected to, however:

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Hunt himself, however, hinted that he had a hidden meaning in mind, a claim he elaborated upon in a letter when the painting was acquired by Manchester City Art Gallery.
Hunt asserted that he intended the couple to symbolise the pointless theological debates (!)which occupied Christian churchmen while their "flock" went astray due to a lack of proper moral guidance. This would make the title a Biblical allusion; in the story of the Good Shepherd (in the King James Version), the Good Shepherd is explicitly contrasted with a hireling shepherd, who has no care for the sheep [John 10:11-15].

http://www.victorianweb.org/painting/wh ... eling.html

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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Does any of this art speak to you? Or is it couched in symbolism from an earlier and forgotten culture that we no longer speak, and requiring interpretation (like much modern art)?

It makes me wonder if there is a parallel between art appreciation and 'bible appreciation'.

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Aren't the clouds beautiful? They look like big balls of cotton... I could sit here all day, and watch them drift by... If you use your imagination, you can see lots of things in the cloud formations... What do you think you see, Linus "Well, those clouds up there look like the map of the British Honduras Caribbean... That cloud up there looks a little like the profile of Thomas Eakins painter and sculptor... And that group of clouds over there gives me the impres stoning of Stephen... I can see the apostle Paul standing there to one side..." "Uh huh... That's very good... What do you see in the clouds, Charlie Brown?" "Well, I was going to say I saw a ducky and a horsie, but I changed my mind!" —Charles M. Schulz (The Complete Peanuts 1959-1960)

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 Post subject: Re: Classical Art
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See also the terms "authorial intent" and "reader response" described here:

http://www.xenos.org/essays/litthry3.htm

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...thus secure it from the subjectivity of those theories that had attempted to investigate what was happening in the mind of an author. As with the neo-orthodox movement occurring in Germany, the meaning of the text is something that is not to be located in the past. There are definite similarities between New Criticism and German Neo-orthodoxy. The text is severed from its past and the interpreter stands at the far end of a yawning chasm with only the text in hand. It was Karl Barth who sought to free the meaning of the text from being corrupted by past understanding by positing an existential immediacy in which the Word is revealed to us through the word (recall Heidegger's "Being" revealed through the medium of language). Rudolf Bultmann then carried Barth's project to its radical extreme by severing all connections with the past in an attempt to secure meaning as suprahistorical.Footnote19 It is this mindset that is behind his demythologizing program which seeks to demonstrate "the independence of faith from history".Footnote20 Gadamer, on the other hand, sought to make immanent again the meaning by grounding it in language and Being. But if Gadamer moves us toward a text-centered hermeneutic, he also opens the door for the next movement in literary theory which is "reception theory."Footnote21 For Gadamer, because Dasein encounters the text in one's ow

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