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"The name of Mother given to the Church shows how necessary it is to know her. No salvation out of the Church."

Man, was I ever surprised who wrote the quote above! I had been websearching for another thread and I ran across it. CCEL.org is amazing! Does anyone here know who wrote it? I am sure a few of you do, but if not, I will post the answer a little later today. The whole chapter that it comes from is a little surprising as well, but actually a little refreshing.

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Nope. Much later, although Augustine might have said it as well. I do not think it was 'revolutionary' idea when he wrote it, nor a concept he had made up. But a great guess. I was surprised, too. In context it is even more surprising.

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Saint Augustine: "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church." (Sermo ad Caesariensis Ecclesia plebem)

though earlier Cyprian said
"Whosoever is separated from the Church is united to an adulteress. He has cut himself off from the promises of the Church, and he who leaves the Church of Christ cannot arrive at the rewards of Christ (...) He who observes not this unity observes not the law of God, holds not the faith of the Father and the Son, clings not to life and salvation." [De Cath. Eccl. Unitate, n 6 (CH 555)].

All others have been mere echo's of this...

Is it any surprise that after the reformation John Calvin would also state it? He did start a theocratic society in Geneva.

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Yes, you are right. I was quoting John Calvin. I started reading some of his "Institutes" on ccel.org. Not what I would expect to read from the original "Calvinist". My how things change in 500 years, huh?

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Just reading through some oldies today, i thought this was an interesting thread parallel to the OP at:

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