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DogHouse
 Post subject: Re: Peter and the Papacy
PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:12 pm 
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They came to Capernaum; and when He was in the house, He began to question them, “What were you discussing on the way?” But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. Sitting down, He called the twelve and said to them, “If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” Mark 9:33-35
...the Pope serves the Roman Catholic Church, and all who are in communion with her. He owns nothing, except for some of his clothes. He has given up a spouse, children, and that lifestyle to serve the Church. So yes...I might tend to agree that the Pope is last and servant of all...thanks for making the point...

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Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Jesus with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him. And He said to her, “What do you wish?” She said to Him, “Command that in Your kingdom these two sons of mine may sit one on Your right and one on Your left.” But Jesus answered, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They *said to Him, “We are able.” He said to them, “My cup you shall drink; but to sit on My right and on My left, this is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.”
...to which the response is...John 21:15-19...John himself echos the primacy of Peter in these verses. He could have stuck any Apostle's name into this account, but apparently, it was Peter - who followed Jesus in himself dying upon a cross, inverted at the request of Peter, who claimed that "he did not deserve to die as our Lord did" (paraphrase).

Actually, I don't get where you are headed by your citation. Some of the witness of the ECF's point to the fact that Jesus is speaking to the general lack of humility displayed in the room, hence no one is acting in the moment much like "those for whom it has been prepared by my Father". St. Jerome states that "Our Lord suffers these occasional weaknesses in his apostles, that he might, from his instructions and corrections, render his doctrines more intelligible to them and to posterity."

Rome's claims stand more sturdily than some of the others made in the name of Jesus that followed, in my opinion...

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 Post subject: Re: Peter and the Papacy
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I have always found it interesting to note that Peter is mentioned 195 times in the Gospels and in Acts. The other Apostles, combined, are named 130 times. The next Apostle mentioned second in frequency is St. John, the disciple whom Jesus loved, who is mentioned 29 times.

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I have always found it interesting to note that Peter is mentioned 195 times in the Gospels and in Acts. The other Apostles, combined, are named 130 times. The next Apostle mentioned second in frequency is St. John, the disciple whom Jesus loved, who is mentioned 29 times.

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I have always found it interesting that our Catholic friends never use this argument to note how Judas Iscariot's name is mentioned 28 times in the NT compared to the only 19 times that Mary's name is mentioned.
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I have always found it interesting that our Catholic friends never use this argument to note how Judas Iscariot's name is mentioned 28 times in the NT compared to the only 19 times that Mary's name is mentioned.
...conclusion ---> the primacy of Judas or Mary among the Apostles cannot be established...using the "argument" above...

...I concur...well played, sir...

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