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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.

I cannot imagine that the first century Christians, when asked how one might be saved, simply handed the potential convert a complete Bible -- especially since the complete Bible wasn't even compiled yet.

There must be some way to distill Scripture's teaching on salvation into a readily conveyable presentation. If someone approached you and asked, "What must I believe in order to be saved?" -- how would you answer?

Daily Bread,

I am not attempting to be dogmatic in hindsight, perhaps further proofing may lead to that, be that it may be between differing branches of Christianity. I wondering if being under papal authority, does one aka Catholic, assume salvation to be administered to the laity by the clergy, part and parcel for belief. That is belief in papal succession, whether or not church history may otherwise indicate.


Interesting enough Obadiah, the simplest and purest form was, believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved. At that point in time it is conceivable a few NT texts may have circulated but by and far the OT was abundantly available, synagogues…

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.

Acts 16:31 would be a great answer to this question if the text specified what elements of "the word of the Lord" Paul shared with them. But it doesn't.

I'm not looking for a list of essentials -- just what you would have told the Philippian jailor had you been in Paul's sandals.

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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.

In regard to salvation I would like to share my signature verse.

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How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace, that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation, that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! Isaiah 52:7

When I asked you what you would have said to that man, what I was really getting at is what you would say to a man who approached you today with the same question.

I think there's a great deal of value in knowing how to answer a person who is inquiring of you as to how he might attain salvation, don't you?

It seems to me that the answer to the question lies here..since paul was in the position to speak to the jailer,maybe you should ask the lord what words he would have dailybread speak to the jailer since it was such an important meeting that it was included in the word..maybe im missing something but im not seeing a list either..

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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.

I know we are not going anywhere with this. I had hoped for some dialogue in this matter of salvation as defined by the Roman Catholicism since you are representing the Catholic view in all matters. First no offence to you, we share the same faith differing roads but only one destination. As Rupertus Meldenius said, “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty and in all things charity.” If a continuation of papal authority is not part of the salvific process, then I have misrepresented the view as part of tradition concerning church matters in the Catholic sense. As I understood it, tradition is pointing to salvation not the actual process. Of course from a Protestant point of view one could say “an effectual calling” necessitates salvation.

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Kola,

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

Hi DB,

As Obadiah pointed out, this is unhelpful.

Besides, if I remember correctly, the Church holds the true teaching of the Bible, therefore any conclusion I make may be skewed.

Perhaps I should word my question differently, what do you believe is necessary for salvation? Believing in the Lord Jesus? If so, what does that look like?

Anyways, if you're just going to give the same response then please don't bother answering (no indignation intended). On the other hand if you don't know, then that's also an acceptable answer.

DB

aren't you being unnecessarily coy? .... if you are a RC (as you are) .... why not state what you must (if you are a RC) by necessity believe?

Why don't you answer the question? ....

If someone asked you "what must I do to be save?" what would you say to them?

and since I am asking for honesty here .... I would say :

"you must believe that Jesus Christ is God/the Son of God, who came to this earth to save human beings like you and me, because we are estranged from God and cannot find our own way back to God."

once this is accepted, then of course I would say ... "this leads to other things you need to think hard about, because they are all part of the picture of Christianity."

or words to that effect, as you rightly say it depends on the other person and the leading of the Spirit.

in Christ

Dinah

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Reading through all the back and forth in this thread, I'm reminded of the scripture in Matt. 7:13-14, "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it".

In accordance with this scripture, spoken by Christ Himself, there are only two roads we can travel on-and one of these two leads to destruction, leaving only one road leading to life, on which the few, not the many, travel.

Whether one likes this or not, the scripture is quite plain. It seems a great many folks in our culture today think there are several different roads leading to life (heaven). This may play with Ophrah but is contrary to the scripture.

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The proof of love is in the works. Where love exists, it works great things. But when it ceases to act, it ceases to exist.