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The magi's coming to Jerusalem in order to pay homage to the king of the Jews shows that they seek in Israel, in the messianic light of the STAR OF DAVID, the one who will be king of the nations. Their coming means that pagans can discover Jesus and worship him as Son of God and Savior of the world only by turning towards the Jews and receiving from them the messianic promise as contained in the Old Testament.

- Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church

Historically speaking, the Catholic Church wasn't very prone to call the hexagram the Star of David (or Magen David in Hebrew). In fact, for several centuries before the modern term 'Star of David' ever became part of everyday vocabulary, and long before this symbol ever became specifically Jewish, the Church preferred to refer to the hexagram as the Star of Creation, or the Creator's Star. Now the obvious question that might come to readers' minds is why on earth did the Christian authorities ever refer to this symbol in such a manner. The Star of Creation? Whatever does that mean?

The six-pointed star is the Creator's Star or Star of Creation. Its six points stand for the six days of creation.


- Christianity/symbols/6-point star, ReligionFacts.com

The easy answer is to simply point out that God's Creation includes both the Heavens and the Earth, Mountains and Valleys, Clouds and Seas, Volcanoes and Tornadoes, so the symbolic representation of BOTH distinctly different items placed together would of course signify the reality that Creation is filled with a diverse array of BOTH phenomenon- not to mention the fact that every snowflake is basically a Star of David, in one form or another.

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All of this is true of course, but it doesn't really truly answer the question completely. Why not call it the God's Star, rather than the Creator's Star? Obviously, there must be a reason behind this particular designation and the following analysis of the Creation story in the 1st Chapter of Genesis (Genesis 1:1-27) is a humble attempt to explain the reasons why-


The Star of David seems to nest itself in the beginning of the Bible...

- The Star of David, by Frank Colijn, Members.home.nl

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(1) In the beginning God created the Heavens AND the Earth.

/ The Heavens= Up Triangle --> 'God created the Heavens'
= The Earth= Down Triangle --> 'God created...the Earth.'
+ God's Creation= Star of David --> 'God created the Heavens AND the Earth.'


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(2) The earth was formless and void, and darkness was OVER the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving OVER the surface of the waters.

/ Darkness= Up Triangle
= The Deep= Down Triangle
+ Darkness OVER the Deep= Star of David --> 'darkness was OVER the surface of the deep'

/ Spirit of God= Up Triangle
= The Waters= Down Triangle
+ Spirit of God OVER the Waters= Star of David --> 'the Spirit of God was moving OVER the surface of the waters.'
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(4) God saw that the light was good, and God SEPARATED the light from the darkness. (5) God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.

+ 24-Hour Cycle= Star of David --> 'God SEPARATED the light from the darkness'
/ The Light, Day= Up (or Down) Triangle --> God called the light day, and the darkness He called night.
= The Darkness, Night= Down (or Up) Triangle --> 'and the darkness He called night.'
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(7) God made the expanse, and SEPARATED the waters which were BELOW the expanse from the waters which were ABOVE the expanse, and it was so.

+ The Waters= Star of David --> 'separated the waters'
= The Waters BELOW= Down Triangle --> 'the waters which were BELOW the expanse from'
/ The Waters ABOVE= Up Triangle --> 'the waters which were ABOVE the expanse'


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(9) Then God said, 'Let the waters BELOW the Heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear', and it was so. (10) God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering of the waters He called Seas, and God saw that it was good.

= The Seas= Down Triangle --> 'Let the waters BELOW the Heavens be gathered into one place'
/ The Earth= Up Triangle --> 'and let the dry land appear'
+ Planet Earth= Star of David --> 'and God saw that it was good.'
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(16) God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night.

+ 'Two great lights'= Star of David
/ Sun, the Greater Light= Up Triangle
= Moon, the Lesser Light= Down Triangle
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(20) Then God said, 'Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly ABOVE the earth in the open expanse of the Heavens.'

= The Fish= Down Triangle - 'the waters bring forth'
/ The Birds= Up Triangle - 'fly ABOVE the earth'
+ Wildlife= Star of David
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(27) [b]God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.[/b]

/ God= Up Triangle
= Image of God= Down Triangle
+ Creation of Man= Star of David --> 'He created him'

/ Male= Up (or Down) Triangle
= Female= Down (or Up) Triangle
+ Creation of Mankind= Star of David --> 'He created them'
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This simple, basic analysis provides one of best ways in explaining the ultimate reason why the Catholic Church, while acknowledging the hexagram as a legitimate family seal for the House of David (including Jesus Chris), has still tended, for literally hundreds of years, to refer to the Star of David as the Star of Creation. Considering the inherent common sense seen in the above interpretation of the Creation story in Genesis 1, it should be fairly easy to understand why.


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Six-pointed Star: Route six corners correspond to the six days of creation. These are also the six attributes of God: love, power, wisdom, mercy, justice and majesty. It is also known as Star of David in Judaism. Six-pointed star - a Christian symbol

- Christianity, Religious Symbols and their Meanings, Relijournal.com

Six Pointed Star: Star of Creation, Star of David. Although ancient and symbolizing the six days of creation, best known in modern times as a symbol of Judaism.

- Christian Symbols, Symbols, Gocek.org

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The star of David is sometimes presented in the form of its outline only. That is, the hexagram with the inner hexagon removed.

When you look at the symbol this way, it's made up of twelve straight line segments, of equal length, and of equal role in the overall structure. These can be thought of as symbolizing the twelve tribes of Israel.

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I fully agree with Strider33.


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YOU The star of David is sometimes presented in the form of its outline only. That is, the hexagram with the inner hexagon removed. When you look at the symbol this way, it's made up of twelve straight line segments, of equal length, and of equal role in the overall structure. These can be thought of as symbolizing the twelve tribes of Israel.

ME: I have no quarrel with anything you just stated and indeed thank you for mentioning the undeniable correlation between the 12 side of the Star of David and the 12 Tribes, Apostles, and Months of the Year. Indeed, just as the Earth goes full circle around the Sun once every 12 months, so too would a tiny ant need to traverse all 12 sides of the Star of David to get back to the same place where they were at the beginning. As this symbol clearly seems to illustrate- what comes up, must come down, and 'in the end there's only round and round...' (Dark Side of the Moon, by Pink Floyd)

I recommend that you someday have a look at the little known book of Jewish Mysticism called the Sepher Yetzirah (Book of Formation), one of the most profound works of both direct and indirect metaphorical and numerical references to the Star of David that I have ever seen before. The general scholarly consensus is that the original text pre-dates Christianity by around 20-50 years. If that is correct, then it is this book that may indeed prove to be the key in showing that the Jewish religious authorities have indeed been aware of the Star of David and its significance for at least 2,000 years, thus demolishing the absurd claims of some that the 'evil and wicked' hexagram, a symbol 'of the Devil' only became a Jewish symbol well after the end of the Middle Ages!

Not correct, as they say in the Computer Science departments.

Here's some pertinent quotes:

The Book of Formation...is the earliest known textual source for the six-pointed symbol known as the Star of David. The Six-Pointed Star has come to be seen as a flat, two-dimensional symbol of two interlocking triangles. The Book of Formation, however, presents the Star as a three-dimensional, six-pointed form of the Tree of Life comprised of two interfacing pyramids.

- Sefer Yetzirah- Book of Formation, "The Letters of Our Father Abraham", Revelation2Seven.org


The Sefer Yetzirah (Book of Formation) is the textual source for the Six-pointed Star, commonly known as the “Star of David.” The Star of David, a two-dimensional symbol composed of two interlocking triangles, is easily the most recognizable symbol of the Jewish religion. This way of viewing the Star certainly presents a wealth of interpretative possibilities.

- Trees of Life from the Sefer HaShmoth and the Sefer Yetzirah, Workofthechariot.

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Why such a fascination with the Star of David?

The word "star" occurs 17 times in the Bible and only 6 of those refer to Christ.


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GaryM wrote:
Why such a fascination with the Star of David?

The word "star" occurs 17 times in the Bible and only 6 of those refer to Christ.


What can't I draw stars my way?

- Maccabaeus, St. Joseph's School in Wenatchee, WA around 1980 AD (33 years ago)

I look at the Swastika and I see 'Crooked', 'Twisted', 'Bent' and basically Evil incarnate. I look at the Star of David and I do NOT see this, indeed I do not see this at all. This is also personal because I vividly remember two things from grade school-

1) I remember the screams and cries of pain and anguish echoing down the hall of St. Joseph School after the Principal Sister Tonia found out who had been drawing Swastikas on their desks one too many times.
2) When the class first started to draw stars, the teacher patiently showed us on the chalkboard how to draw those five-pointed pentagrams without lifting up the pencil or pen from the paper by drawing a horizontal line from left to right, then up at a angle to the left, then down at another angle to the left, then up again at an angle to the right, etc. I couldn't do it so well and instead began drawing stars with six-points instead because it was much easier to make them look perfect and symmetrical. Drawing the perfect pentagram is difficult and they are inherently asymmetrical. My teacher found out and forced me to draw them 5-pointed. I distinctly remember asking quite innocently: 'Why can't I draw stars my way?' I am Ukrainian Catholic with a mother who is 101% pure Slavic Gentile and there is little to no difference between her and millions of Jewish mothers whose ancestors also came from the Ukraine. I have not Jewish blood in my family at all, but I know what evil is, and therefore choose the opposite, even though others may not call it good. Because I didn't like those pentagrams back then and I still don't. Indeed, I still don't to this very day.

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George Washington's original pencil sketch for the flag indicated 6-pointed stars, a form he apparently preferred.

Betsy Ross, however, recommended a 5-pointed star. When the committee protested that it was too difficult to make, she took a piece of paper, folded it deftly, and with a single snip of her scissors, produced a symmetrical five-pointed star. This seeming feat of magic so impressed her audience that they readily agreed to her suggestion.


- 5-Pointed Star in One Snip, UShistory.org (http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagstar.html)

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Maccabaeus wrote:
What can't I draw stars my way?
you can -- but that doesn't mean others will be as fascinated by this topic as you seemingly are

maybe you are on to something -- maybe you're obsessed with something trivial -- dunno

people that cloose to only post on a topic that's deemed tertiary @ best tend to throw up red flags for me

your posts & motivation for them remain an enigma -- speak clearly & make a pt


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Paco wrote:
Maccabaeus wrote:
What can't I draw stars my way?
you can -- but that doesn't mean others will be as fascinated by this topic as you seemingly are

maybe you are on to something -- maybe you're obsessed with something trivial -- dunno

people that cloose to only post on a topic that's deemed tertiary @ best tend to throw up red flags for me

your posts & motivation for them remain an enigma -- speak clearly & make a pt


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To LORD Lepay,

My aren't we insulting today. Did Sir Inquisitor not get enough sleep? I will deal simply, swiftly, and politely as I can with the last two items of your reply. Here it goes:

TACO: people that cloose to only post on a topic that's deemed tertiary @ best tend to throw up red flags for me.
MONGOBAEUS: So every aspiring author with a specific topic he is researching (Christian use, history, and meaning of the Star of David) means yet another mass murderer may soon be on the loose? I doubt it, seriously.

TACO: your posts & motivation for them remain an enigma -- speak clearly & make a pt
MONGOBAEUS: I tracked down this ikon just for you and this one reply in particular. With that said, I will now make my point as simple to understand as possible. However, I will not 'speak clearly' (unless you can hear my fingers clumsily tap the keyboard and call it speech). Instead, I do hereby plead the 5th Amendment's right to remain silent, but would also like the Jury to examine what I have decided to call Exhibit X (as in Hexagram) located just below this text:

I Jesus, am the Root and Branch of David. I am the bright, Morning Star (of David).


- Revelation 22:16


EXHIBIT X - Star of David/Jesus on original American Flag

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Francis Hopkinson claimed to have created the first official flag of the United States. However, Congress refused him this title based on the fact that multiple people contributed to the design. Hopkinson's design used a staggered pattern of 3-2-3-2-3 using 6 pointed Marian stars. This creates an optical effect of the crosses used in the British flag.

- Hopkinson Flag 1777, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hopkinson_Flag.svg)


As exhibit X clearly shows, we should all be concerned when more than a few misguided Christian believers have already decided that the family symbol of the Messiah Jesus Christ, which is also his Jewish mother Mary's personal insignia, is somehow evil, rather than good, Satanic, rather than Christian. Let us spread the Good News that there is nothing to fear from the twinkling stars up in the sky, nor from the Snowflakes that fall upon us every winter, nor how the Sun looks SIx-Pointed when viewed through hazy clouds. It's time to throw Pat Roberston's New World Order in the garbage can and then start reading the actual documented +1,000 history of the Church's not uncommon use of the Magen David and what that may mean for both today and tomorrow.

God bless and Shalom

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Maccabaeus wrote:
My aren't we insulting today
that was not my intent
Maccabaeus wrote:
So every aspiring author with a specific topic he is researching (Christian use, history, and meaning of the Star of David) means yet another mass murderer may soon be on the loose?
you clearly make an emotional leap in order to go from "red flag" to "mass murderer" -- again, my intent was to share with you my experience with forum posters that focus on some seemingly "out there" topic without balancing it with other discussions on Jesus, God, etc -- the problem as i see it is NOT with your current topic but with your lack of balance

Gary was perplexed as well
GaryM wrote:
Why such a fascination with the Star of David?

Maccabaeus wrote:
we should all be concerned when more than a few misguided Christian believers have already decided that the family symbol of the Messiah Jesus Christ, which is also his Jewish mother Mary's personal insignia, is somehow evil, rather than good
if you can cite a Biblical Prohibition then you may have a pt -- otherwise, all i see is periphery that distracts from the Cross & Christ -- your view may prove to be a great ice breaker @ parties but will it lead others to Christ?

of course, if the Spirit has Led you to walk this path & proclaim this news, then it will spread & be received by those who need to hear it -- apparently i am not 1 of those people <shrug>

Maccabaeus wrote:
It's time to throw Pat Roberston's New World Order in the garbage can
this has zero to do with the topic @ hand -- how you read end times is for another thread


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