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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:03 pm 
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What is the correct Hebrew/Aramaic name of Jesus? I keep hearing from these people who say things like sus means son of Zeus and we are worshiping Zeus by using Jesus as the name of our savior. I find that easy to dismiss and reason through. But I have understood the Hebrew/Aramaic name of Jesus to be Yeshuah. Now I am hearing that it should be Yehusha and that Yeshuah is a false name. Also that Adonis and Adonai are names for Greek gods and when we use Adonai for God we are using a satanic name. I wanted someone who is more of an expert than I am to respond to this.


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 Post subject: Re: Jesus' name
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:27 pm 
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in my reading I believe it is the Hebrew equivalent for 'Joshua' .... the meaning is the same "Yahweh saves" ... and really this question is answered in Matthew 1:21 .... of course to accept this you must (as I do) believe that God "inspired" the Bible (or "expired" i.e. "God-breathed") :D

but hoping that Obadiah and/or one of our other Hebrew experts will come across and give more detail for our learning

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus' name
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Yeshuah is the correct name in the Hebrew (though it has several permutations like "Yehoshuah"). The form "Jesus" is from the Greek 'Iησους ('Iesous) which is the nominative form of the name.There is absolutely NOTHING that connects it to the name Zeus in its form. It is the name which the NT writers ALL USED, because it is the name in the common tongue (Greek). Those who say otherwise are speaking from ignorance of the Biblical languages. The Hebrew form "Yeshuah" is simply that...a Hebrew form of the name. I really don't know where someone came up with Yehusha being the correct form. It is an absurd statement to be honest that lacks any linguistic merit (unless someone here can substantiate this form being an acceptable one in any permutation of Hebrew/Aramaic).

Adonai (אדני) is used for God because that is the Hebrew word "lord" and was used to speak the unspeakable Name (the tetragrammaton YHWH) or else to simply say "HaShem" (the Name). Yes, there was a Greek god (of beauty) known as Adonis. This name in the Greek was a borrowing from the Semitic term "Adon" meaning "lord". It is thought this god to be connected to Tammuz of the Babylonians and Baal Hadad of the Canaanites among others. This is proferred because this god dies and is raised back to life in the mythologies. There is NO connection between this term in the Hebrew Bible and the myths of the ancients. It is simply a matter of linguistic borrowing and nothing more. It is most certainly not a "Satanic name".

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Sometimes I wonder why there's so much nonsense floating around about our Savior's personal name. People who want to gain a following by insisting they own the secret, sacred name the rest of us don't? Oh, well, God can judge their motives. That's His job, not mine.

Just to embellish a bit on Antipater's expectedly accurate response…

The original Hebrew form of the name is (as best I can do in transliterated form) Yehoshu-ah. In later Hebrew and Aramaic we see the form Yeshu-a (the occurrences are all in Ezra-Nehemiah and Chronicles). It seems likeliest to me that the NT form Yesous derives from this later form.

I had never before seen the goofy form Yehusha, although a quick Google seems to indicate it's a variant form of the older Hebrew name Yehoshu-ah.

As for "son of Zeus" — in Greek this would be huios dios (υιος διος), which bears little if any resemblance to the name Jesus.

On top of all this, you'll get the anti-J people who insist that the proper form of the Savior's name is Iesus rather than Jesus and that everybody who uses the cursed J-form is going to hell. Anybody who believes in a God who throws people in hell for misspelling His name deserves whatever foolish theology they come up with.

OK, I'll alight form my soapbox now.


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Actually most of these people who believe that Jesus' name is supposed to be a certain way is usually those who are into Sacred Name groups and certain Messianic groups. Yes, the Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua which means Joshua. For those who state that Jesus name is Zeus from a Greek God, I would just ignore them and I would question where they got their info from. They will tell you that they got it from such and such a source, however it is usually along with groups that believe that Jesus is not God and a few other issues.

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I am not a linguistic, I don’t know Hebrew/Aramaic or Greek. Beside my native language I understand a little English and consider as my second language. Bible is written and translated in various dialect and have almost the same context.
Jesus is a biblical name given in the Scripture by an angel to Joseph in Matthew 1:21 however, the name Jeus bear different transliteration depending on what language you speak as an example is Yeshsus, Yeshuah. Yehusha and Hesus etc.
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Philippians 2:9-10 As a result God exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow in heaven and on earth and under the earth –

Hebrews 1:4 Thus he became so far better than the angels as he has inherited a name superior to theirs.

Psalm 8:9 O Lord, our Lord,how magnificent is your reputation throughout the earth

Actts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.”

Following verses above is not pointing alone to name “Jesus” The name above every name is not just ‘given’ it is ‘inherited’ which was supported when Jesus said in John 5:43 & Hebrews 1:4
Jesus also said in John 5:19 Then they began asking him, “Who is your father?” Jesus answered, “You do not know either me or my Father. If you knew me you would know my Father too.”

Luke 10:22 All things have been given to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son decides to reveal him.”
If, Jesus is the name given among people; why does Proverb 30:4 are asking us “ Who has ascended into heaven, and then descended? Who has gathered up the winds in his fists? Who has bound up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son’s name? – if you know!

Revelation 2:17 & Revelation 3:12 Jesus also promises to those who will conquer his new name as parallel to Isaiah 62:2

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My reply was -1) you are using the Internet to correct scripture, and you are ok with that? -2) the new testament was originally written in Greek so the name Issue/Jesus must be ok -3) we can play word games and bring everything, including my name and yours, into question as connected to paganism or satanism or whatever. I gave examples. -4) if you are saying that scripture is wrong about the very name of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit then why believe that what you are saying about scripture is right and some other part of scripture is wrong?

But as to a scholarly answer to their scriptural criticism I am inept.


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I keep hearing from these people who say things like sus means son of Zeus and we are worshiping Zeus by using Jesus as the name of our savior... Also that Adonis and Adonai are names for Greek gods and when we use Adonai...


The question is actually a much greater discussion. Such rhetoric is perpetuated by the like of those whom advance the notion that Jesus was a myth (an icorporeal Jesus). They assert that the 'mythical' Jesus was none other than Adonis, Osiris and so on. Such fiction is making the rounds again.

For more information see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus-myth_hypothesis , specifically the heading "Comparative mythology'

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My reply was -1) you are using the Internet to correct scripture, and you are ok with that? –

NO, Please check my post if I ever made changes or correction questioning any part of Scripture I did mentioned. What I give is some commentary which also related to the question of the Scripture itself.

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2) the new testament was originally written in Greek so the name Issue/Jesus must be ok –

Yes, I even quote Matthew 1:21 cthat confirmed Jesus is biblical namel.

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3) we can play word games and bring everything, including my name and yours, into question as connected to paganism or satanism or whatever. I gave examples. –

I’m not insisting that we play a word game, suggesting a udy of what the Scripture and Jesus is manifesting about his new name that ge promised to give us, Rev 2:17, Rev 3:12 & Isaiah 62:2

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4) if you are saying that scripture is wrong about the very name of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit then why believe that what you are saying about scripture is right and some other part of scripture is wrong?


I did not wronged any names of God but proposing to study if what is the true and real name that was hidden to unbeliever, you are asking if what is Jesus name in Hebrew/greek/Aramaic languages, but that dialect is not known across the world so how could it be apply to Acts 4:12

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But as to a s,cholarly answer to their scriptural c riticism I am inept.

I was not a bible scholar but a humble high school undergraduate

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Verbatim, my post was not aimed at you. I was not responding to your post.


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Verbatim, my post was not aimed at you. I was not responding to your post.

I apologized, I thought ypur post is address to me.

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