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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:19 am 
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this is the public forum for the discussion of the requirements for a new site that offers the opportunity to post quality studies. It is needed as the bible.org staff just does not have the time to read and interact with all the material that authors want to post on the main site.

1- I have been thinking we need to offer other scholars the opportunity to post quality studies to the site. but our staff just does not have the time to read and interact with the authors etc.

2- so here is a proposal i would like your reaction to.. we develop another site (need a cms that may have some wiki like characterics) and allow the community at large to post studies/sermons to it (deleting heresy etc)... we collectively develop a measuring metric to nominate the best studies (this needs some thought ..... perhaps studies that are well argued with scripture backup or ?)


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:39 pm 
Perhaps another feature that could be included (since you used the word portal to describe it in the other board section (at least i think you did)), is an actively growing list of already written articles on the internet organized by author/topic/year/etc. I had been thinking about something like this for some time.

I am adequate in most web-based languages and learn quickly. Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with the technologies you referred to before. Possibly could spend some time helping with this. I also have a B.S. in Biblical Studies from PBU and currently working on an M.Div.


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:12 pm 
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minkwe, bob, vogelabv,Bigman001 i have added you to the developers forum
anyone else interested


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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2005 11:27 pm 
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David and Chris, in the Excel attachment, is a screen shot of what I would offer on how to model the database, to be able to go from scripture to article. Or even from article to scripture. The key is to model two separate branches, of a hierarchical database, and connect them at the bottom of these structures. Keep in mind that I may not have the Scripture (Bible) side and/or the Article side, correct. In order to get this correct, I would need to understand exactly what part of the article (links, words, sentences, paragraphs, etc) is needed to be isolated and connected, to what part (links, words, verses, chapters, books, etc.) of scripture?

In the screen shot, there is what I would call a "Cross-Referencing" table. It contains only the key, and unique fields, from the bottom tables in the two hierarchical branches. Then a one-to-many connection is made from of these tables to the "Cross-Referencing" table. In order to come to this point, here are some of the questions that I asked:

1. Is there a need to connect the identified part of the article, to only one part of scripture? Or to many parts of scripture? I guessed that there would actually be a need to do both. This is why I came up with a "One-to-Many" link from the article branch to the Cross-Referencing table.

2. And, is there a need to connect the identified part of scripture to only one part of the article? Or to many parts of the article? Again, I guessed there is a need to do both. Thus, the "One-to-Many" link from the scripture branch to the Cross-Referencing table.

It is possible that the answer to these questions could be that there is only a need to connect, one part to one part. For example, there could be, only the need to connect one part of the article to only one scripture. If this was the case then the best option would be a "One-to-One" link. I will touch base with you again sometime this week and see what needs to be done to help with this. Thanks, Otis Bass
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 9:46 pm 
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Lewis, welcome to the project team I added u to the private forum...
I would like to task those interested in this project to start writing the requirements of what it needs to be...
I need someone to volunteer to be the lead project manager to coordinate the work and collect comments from the team, make a doc that we can all review and post for comments and they launch the project wioth some understaning of schedule and if we need any $ to do it..

I would also like to see you begin to review the CMS that we might use.. I think it needs to have some wiki features so people can post material and add comments and reviews.. the cms should support multiple languages so we can have different languages added.. one I am interested in is Arabic. drupal loooks interesting


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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 3:28 am 
I'm still trying to understand the requirements of this new site at the moment. From what I understand you want to have a wiki site where the community can post and edit articles in a wiki manner, from which articles are selected or ranked somehow.

I have been following loosely the wikipedia experience and I can already say it is very difficult to maintain articles on controversial issues because some people simply roll-back changes they don't like personally. For a site like the one you are thinking about, this may not be good.

An alternative may be to have a bloglike site with a blog for each author. Each author can post and edit his own articles but the community can comment on the articles posted. If the "bloggers" have strict categories under which to place their articles, then there can be a central site which aggregates the articles from the individual blogs under the diferent categories. New authors can be added by just creating a new blog for them.

I don't know of any specific software that can do all of this but maybe one of the other developers know. There are a few very good blog software such as "Movable Type" and "WordPress". These can handle the blog part. The more difficult bit would be the central site where ranked and aggregated articles are displayed. That could be custom code.

What do you guys think about this setup?


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Thanks David;

I am glad to be part of the team and welcome the challeges that wait head. I will be checking into available CMS systems. I know you mentioned Drupol. How about basic standard of phpnuke?? Anyone have and comments on phpnuke? I did see a quran plugin for phpnuke. Would you think this would be a good feature?

Minkwe;

I like the idea of a blog, and I do see the need of a ranking system as you mentioned. Would you think a ranking system would be vital as to subject and its primary return of content? I'll check out the software you mentioned. Anyone else know of a out of the box blogger that would fit the bill?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:53 am 
Lewis,
About the ranking, I mentioned it because that was one of the suggestions in David's original Post.

I found the following MovableType plugin for aggregating multiple blogs. I'm still looking for a voting/rating plugin. When I have some time, I'll do a MovableType demo site so you guys could test it out.


http://www.elise.com/mt/archives/000962 ... to_one.php


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:45 am 
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minkwe I added u to the hidden developers forum. Do u see it? If so make a post in there so I can see if it works... see my post in there about starting sooner rather than latter... interested in your thoughts

On ranking yes I think some sort of ranking algorithm would be good. I can see that some people's votes might count more than others.. by that I mean if you had an expert in a subject you might could his vote more than a unranked guy off the street...
one point of the rankings is to have a way that the "better" material float to the top so it can be reviewed and moved to the main bible.org site.. also authors that communicate well should get some sort of recognition. (perhaps create a 'popular" cateorgory. and "best article of the month' and offer a "prize" maybe a credit coupon from the store or something.

just some random thoughts...........


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 5:04 pm 
I like your thoughts, and ranking would definately be a requirement.

Detailed profile descriptions indicating basic doctrinal beliefs might also be helpful, although many posting may not know where exactly they align.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:38 pm 
Hi David,

I am new to the Forums and have a few thoughts ...

1. As I read your original Post, sounds like Bible.org needs help from you and yours to help critique and choose new articles/studies for Bible.org's "List Articles" section. Perhaps a new Forum for this purpose (different from the one you are all fleshing out above) would be helpful, as well.

2. Also, here in San Diego we have the "San Diego Christian Writers Guild." We meet once monthly in "Critique Groups" (live, by area) and each reads an article or chapter portion of a book they are working on for future publication. After each reading, the group members critique it (according to particular guidelines), and the author gains perspective, makes corrections, and improves their manuscript toward the goal of publication. Perhaps a Forum with a similar goal in mind would be helpful. What do you think?

Because of Christ,
Cindy (hopeternal) :)


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I'm new to the community, but had some thoughts on the voting discussion. What if the user could see and search two sets of ratings. Each blog could have it's expert/professor rating, and it's user rating. It would also be very helpful to have links to blogs that other users rated similarly on (like amazon and netflix - ex. "other users that rated this blog highly also rated these blogs highly..." All of these things would help to pull users deeper into the other blogs.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:05 pm 
Sounds interesting perhaps a little less dynamic than I had thought about but definitely a good start. What is the status of this?


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