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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:15 am 
Keith,

You suspect that I got Origen out of context, well here is another quote.

" You are wont to assist in the Divine Mysteries , know how , when you receive the Body of the Lord you take reverent care , lest any particle of it should fall to the ground and a portion of the consecrated gift escape you. You consider it a crime- and rightly so - if any particle thereof fall down through negligence. "

Origen , Homilies on Exodus 13, 3 244 AD.

Catholics have always been careful with Eucharist , Jesus Flesh is true food and His Blood is true drink. It is a very serious an reverant moment receiving the " Bread of Life " and great reverance must be shown to Jesus, we receive the gospel message with reverance , how much more reverance must we receive Jesus Himself as the " Bread of Life "

" The bread that I will give is My Flesh for the Life of the world "

" For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the Body eats and drinks judgement upon himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill , and some have died . "

Do not receive the " Bread of Life " , unless you beleive , and you discern His Body.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:30 am 
Jesus Himself , is the only answer to our ills, Jesus is Pure Life and He loves with such an intense love, that He humbly offers His own Flesh and Blood so that we will have Life to the full.

" Without Me you can do nothing "

" If the Lord does not build the house then in vain do the builders labor "

" He who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood abides in Me, and I in Him "

Jesus builds a home in us and abides in us when we receive His Body and Blood.

" It is no longer I that live , but Christ who lives in me "

" Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood , you shall have no life in you. "

The Joy of receiving " The Bread of Life " , I can not tell you .

Jesus is such Love that it almost tears the fabric of the soul, so I ask you as my brothers and sisters , do not go hungry , but eat and drink .


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Jesus Himself , is the only answer to our ills, Jesus is Pure Life and He loves with such an intense love, that He humbly offers His own Flesh and Blood so that we will have Life to the full.

Which is received thgrough faith - not works or merit

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" Without Me you can do nothing "

This verse has nothing to do with this dicussion,

" If the Lord does not build the house then in vain do the builders labor "
Ditto - written many centuries before the ministry of Jesus.
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" He who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood abides in Me, and I in Him "

As previously stated - eat and drink are figures for the commitment of faith,
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Jesus builds a home in us and abides in us when we receive His Body and Blood.

He comes to us when we believe - not when we participate in a religious practice.

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" It is no longer I that live , but Christ who lives in me "

Through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit - not obsevance of the church.

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" Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood , you shall have no life in you. "
ditto above

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The Joy of receiving " The Bread of Life " , I can not tell you .

I received Jesus when I was 10. He is always with me. It is great joy.

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Jesus is such Love that it almost tears the fabric of the soul, so I ask you as my brothers and sisters , do not go hungry , but eat and drink .

His love is revealed in the Cross. It is also revealed in His willingness to save
Romans 5:6-11 6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 (For rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person perhaps someone might possibly dare to die.) 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, because we have now been declared righteous by his blood, we will be saved through him from God’s wrath. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life? 11 Not only this, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received this reconciliation. Context (NET)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:24 am 
That is excellent , PastorJohn , you have received the Gospel, and Jesus loves you for it.

Now all you must do , is eat His Flesh and drink His Blood.

" he who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood has eternal Life, and I will raise him up at the last day. "

"he who eats Me,will live because of Me "

If you beleive that Jesus Flesh is true food and His Blood is true drink , then you can eat and drink.

Those who don't beleive and receive the " Bread of Life " , it is better that they eat and drink poison.

" Take, eat, this is My Body "


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On a scale of one to ten , how important is it to be raised up by Jesus on the last day?

Did Jesus say it was optional ?

Did Jesus say, there is no wrong answer guys?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:23 am 
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Thank you sherwood for going to the trouble to do real study.
My collection of the ante-nicene fathers [and it leaves out a few] constitutes a pretty fat book. There are lots of heresies in there as well as an abundance of information that is precious and valuable, and next to nothing that beats a doctrine into the idea that Matto puts on the table. Also no worship of Mary as a Redemptrix.

But sticking to the subject: it is sad that here we are having to counter an attempt to use a private-interpretation of the table as a wedge, a schismatic claim, when the very point of unity for all christians is the Communion Table. We only have a few precious sacraments that are implicitly demanded of all christians, and we should find harmony, maybe even unanimity in these practices, if not outright unity. I'm encouraged that leading conservative Roman catholic voices today do not see the differences in Eucharistic doctrine as a reason to divide, bite, devour, but rather see the common observance of the Table as the "level" ground for people of honest Faith, irrespective of their denominational stripe. We've come a long way... still more work to be done.

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CHAP. XXXIII.

From this it is evident that we have already met the next statement of Celsus, which is as follows: "We must either not live, and indeed not come into this life at all, or we must do so on condition that we give thanks and first-fruits and prayers to demons, who have been set over the things of this world: and that we must do as long as we live, that they may prove good and kind." We must surely live, and we must live according to the word of God, as far as we are enabled to do so. And we are thus enabled to live, when, "whether we eat or drink, we do all to the glory of God;" and we are not to refuse to enjoy those things which have been created for our use, but must receive them with thanksgiving to the Creator. And it is under these conditions, and not such as have been imagined by Celsus, that we have been brought into life by God; and we are not placed under demons, but we are under the government of the Most High God, through Him who hath brought us to God--Jesus Christ. It is not according to the law of God that any demon has had a share in worldly affairs, but it was by their own lawlessness that they perhaps sought out for themselves places destitute of the knowledge of God and of the divine life, or places where there are many enemies of God. Perhaps also, as being fit to rule over and punish them, they have been set by the Word, who governs all things, to rule over those who subjected themselves to evil and not to God. For this reason, then, let Celsus, as one who knows not God, give thank-offerings to demons. But we give thanks to the Creator of all, and, along with thanksgiving and prayer for the blessings we have received, we also eat the bread presented to us; and this bread becomes by prayer a sacred body, which sanctifies those who sincerely partake of it.

This is Origens context and has nothing to do with the Lords Supper
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The remberance of the Lords supper is for all believers

It is simple and requires no preistly cast to lead or distribute

The idea is that each individual bearks the bread to himself - likewise the wine

Though as a public act one person will give thanks on behalf of all - yet this corporate act is also an each individual act


Any movement by Rome has to be is asked to be seen as a magnaminus act as though the are the chief church acting in grace - that is pride

Nothing could be further from the truth, for the church is one, all believers are one and the true church is under Christ and he does not employ any individual man to represent him let alone an organisation

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:52 pm 
Catholics eat Jesus Flesh and drink His Blood , this not something a Protestant or fundamentalist can say.

To receive Jesus Himself is the Gospel message, the Gospel tells us to receive Jesus , but it also tells us that " His own received Him not ".

How can a man say he has received the Gospel , and then refuse to eat Jesus the " Bread of Life ", the new mana from heaven ?

" He who eats Me , will live because of Me "

" The Bread that I will give is My Flesh for the Life of the world "

" My Flesh is true food and My Blood is true drink "

" He who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood , abides in Me and I in Him "

" How can this man give us his flesh to eat ?"

" Are you offended by this ? "

If a man does not recognize the Lord at the breaking of the Bread , then he has not recognized the" Bread of Life", thus he will not partake of it.

" Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood , you will have no life in you "

" This bread we break , is it not a partaking in the Body of Christ ? "

" This is My Body "

" I am the Bread of Life "

You must eat Jesus Flesh and drink his Blood , to have life in you, Jesus says this clearly.

You must eat the " Bread of Life " to have Life.


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Catholics eat Jesus Flesh and drink His Blood , this not something a Protestant or fundamentalist can say.


We are not cannibals or idolators.

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To receive Jesus Himself is the Gospel message, the Gospel tells us to receive Jesus , but it also tells us that " His own received Him not ".


Neither are we Jews.

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How can a man say he has received the Gospel , and then refuse to eat Jesus the " Bread of Life ", the new mana from heaven ?

" He who eats Me , will live because of Me "

" The Bread that I will give is My Flesh for the Life of the world "

" My Flesh is true food and My Blood is true drink "

" He who eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood , abides in Me and I in Him "

" How can this man give us his flesh to eat ?"

" Are you offended by this ? "

Because we treat Jesus words with respect and do not give them a gross literal meaing rather than the spiritual meaning He so clearly intended.
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If a man does not recognize the Lord at the breaking of the Bread , then he has not recognized the" Bread of Life", thus he will not partake of it.

If a man thinks that he has literally received the Loed by eating a piece of bread rather than through faith than he has tricked himself into idolatry and fakery.
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" Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood , you will have no life in you "

" This bread we break , is it not a partaking in the Body of Christ ? "

" This is My Body "

" I am the Bread of Life
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Protestants literally believe all those verses, but we do not force them into literal meanings to produce an idolatrous interpretation.
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You must eat Jesus Flesh and drink his Blood , to have life in you, Jesus says this clearly.

You must eat the " Bread of Life " to have Life.

Those who have sincerely commited themselvwes to Christ as Lord and Saviour have done so. I pray that all the participants have trusted in Him alone for their salvation.

John

This thread has officially become repetitive. If someone wishes to repond to my last post - send it in a PM to Jennifer or me. I see no point in continuing to go over the same ground. I think that we need to quit before someone says that someone else is not a Christian because they disagree over this interpretation of the Scriptures.

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