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The beast the rises up out of the sea is a global political structure that comes up out of the people. It is described in Rev 17. The sea is the people and the heads are mountains (possibly nations, dominions, or political entities such as economy, education, etc.). One of those heads receives a deadly wound, but is healed by the second beast out of the earth (Antichrist).

This is only my opinion but if a main component of the global system, perhaps the economy, was to crash and threaten the life of the beast in whole, and another entity shows up on the scene and brings life to it (heals it), then wouldn't that be enough for the whole world to wonder after the beast and say "Who can make war with the beast". Of course no one will be able to make war with it because everyone is involved with it. It has no enemies.

Just a thought.

Dave

if you read Rev 13 you'll see it speaks of 2 men, not some entities

Hello Dave,

Rev 13 is pretty confusing - - and it seems to go lots of places and covers quit e bit of time, in my opinion. Yes, as Paco points out, the latter part of it is about two men - - but the Association that is formed up - in the beginning section, could be a grouping of nations... so - - I agree with you.

Bert

where exactly are you looking to see this?

Hello Paco,

I suspect I am seeing it the same place that Dave is.

Rev 13:2

In the opening of the chapter, a rather strange composite beast is shown. Bear Feet, and Lion mouth, and Leopard/or Tiger body - - -

Rev 13:1 Of course in opening - - an even stranger beast was seen, with 7 heads and 10 horns.

Verse 2b and 3a run like this... The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule. 3 One of the beast’s heads appeared to have been killed, but the lethal wound had been healed. And the whole world followed the beast in amazement;

So we have a bunch of beasts/beast types here - - 3 of which appear to be combined - - (relating back to Daniel 7 I believe) and then the 4th beast with the 7 heads/10 horns is also seen then, coming up from the sea. (that was verse 1 of course).

So I believe that would be the 4th Beast - - that the AC will eventually rule.

Is how I see it anyway. So the opening verses of this Chapter, contains quite a bit.

Now I will admit, that a great many Christians believe that the AC will rule the Entire world, but - - if the 4 beasts of Daniel 7, are actually END TIME GOVERNMENTS... that exist until Christ comes back, and who Christ sees at his coming - - and allow to exist a while even AFTER he comes back, (see Daniel 7:12 ) then.. things are not quite so cut and dried as many believe.

Hope this helps a bit.

Bert

Bert -- most folks that read Rev. 13 count 2 beasts -- it's pretty clear to me v1-10 describe only 1 beast -- vv. 2, 4, 5, & 7 all tell us this is a guy

v. 11-18 describe the 2nd beast -- here, vv. 11-14 & 16 tell us it's a guy

the fact we have 2 beasts & they are men (sorry ladies) is readily apparent to me -- you & DG are entitled to your take but it's not what i read <shrug> -- thanks for clarifying

Revelation 13: How many beast? This reminds me of the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

Verse 1 signifies all beasts that were involved.
Verse 2 showing us as 3 beasts involved: the bear - the good; leopard - the bad; and the lion - the ugly.

If you have been reading Daniel 7 - the bear, the lion, and the leopard it points to Revelation 13 then you should be able to identify these 3 beasts.

<<< 300 years to go, Amen.

Rev. 13:2 -- Now the beast that I saw was like a leopard, but its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority to rule.

samesame -- this verse speaks of 1 beast, not 3 -- it mentions 3 characterisitics of this 1 beast -- re-read the verse then show how you derive 3 entities

I wonder how many beast mentioned in Rev 13:1? 1, 7, or 10?

How many beast do you see?
Beast - nation or nations
Beast - tongue or tongues
Beast - kindred or kindreds
Beast - person or people
Beast - dragon

How many beast mentioned in Daniel 7 or 8? lion, bear, leopard, and a terrrible . Ram and Goat.
How many beast mentioned in Rev 13:2? lion, bear, and a leopard.
Dragon gave the beast his power (leopard), his throne (bear), and great authority to rule (lion).

Mythological beast hydra, how many heads? 1 beast or 3 beasts?


<300 years to go, amen.

the plain reading of the Text tells us the answer -- you alter the construction somehow & see something that is not there imo -- so we'll have to disagree on this matter

We are warned not to be deceived by statements like this, nor to be obsessed with the subject.

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My soul looks back in wonder at how I got over

We who believe in freedom cannot rest until it comes

No one is being deceived...

The Bible tell us so...our past, present, and future...HISTORY!

Our expert tells us that time, times, and half of time is the same as 1 + 2 + 1/2 = 3 1/2. This doesn't point to anything, but some people are obsessed with this figure.

Same as Genesis 3, was there only one tree to choose from or was it two?

Was Daniel accurately foretold our future on Daniel 2? Was Gabriel telling Daniel from future to the coming of our Lord in Daniel 11 and 12? Was Gabriel pointing out our final end time in Daniel 12?

Would it not be better for our Lord to tell us when He will be arriving so people stay away from being wicked? Secretly, Rev 16 and 19, why are they preparing to go to war with God? To make war riding on a white horse. They knew when Christ is coming!!!

Dan 8 - the ram has two horn: 1 beast or two beasts? Daniel 8:20
Rev 13 - two horns like a lamb - 1 beast or two beasts? political system or something else?

In my opinion...why would God not tell us when Christ is coming again? Is Jesus afraid of Satan that Jesus coming need to be kept hidden or secretly from us? Joel 2:28-29

The closest one to managed to interpret Revelation 13 is Bert...there are multiple beasts involved not just one or two, more than you can imagine...just like Alexander the Great, how many beasts they have fought?

<<< 300 years to go, Amen.

samesame -- a man enters a bar wearing 7 ties, 10 pairs of socks, & 12 hats -- now, how many men entered the bar? -- the answer is obviously 1 -- same dealio as w/ Rev. 13:1 -- yet you try to make it any # but that

as I said before, you read the Text & twist it to fit something, dunno -- but the plain reading of the Text is what it is

am uncertain if your view on end times is an SDA thing or your own concoction -- either way, as i've said before, we'll have to disagree -- it's ancillary so hey

Please forgive me if I trust His Word rather than your opinion. Matthew 24:36; Matthew 24:42; Matthew 24:44; Matthew 25:13; Mark 13:32; Acts 1:7; & 1 Thess. 5:1-2, Rev. 3:3; & Rev. 16:15. These and many other passages are clear that we do not and will not know the time of His return untill it happens.

Why would He? Why should He? Such are silly questions IMO. He is God and does what pleases Him and not necesarily what meets our approval or logic.

Satan is defeated so such questions are moot IMO. Perhaps God didn't want us complascent in sharing His truth. Whatever the reason He does not say, however, it is right because He is God.

Perhaps this would be a good quote

Deut. 29:29 29 Secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those that are revealed belong to us and our descendants forever, so that we might obey all the words of this law. Context (NET)

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Thanks for collecting all those references together. More there than I would have found.

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My soul looks back in wonder at how I got over

We who believe in freedom cannot rest until it comes