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:sign7: Shalom to all , in John 11:9 KJV ; Jesus answered , " Are there Not 12 Hours in the Day ? If any man walk in the day , he stumbleth not , because he seeth the light of this world " ... !!! Malachi 1:11 ... Sunrise to Sunset = 12 hours ... !!! Please leave your comments , bless everyone , peace and love from up above , amen !!! :sign7:


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Perhaps you would like to begin by sharing your own insights into the text? If you have a question, it's not clear what it is.

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In Jewish reckoning, the day begins at sundown. That's not 12 am.

In NT reckoning, the hours of the day are reckoned beginning at 6 am. That's not 12 am.

If you start at 6am, and count forward 12 hours, you get 6pm. That's about sundown. The closer to the equator you get, the less annual variation there is in the time of sundown.

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Strider33 wrote:
In Jewish reckoning, the day begins at sundown. That's not 12 am.

In NT reckoning, the hours of the day are reckoned beginning at 6 am. That's not 12 am.

If you start at 6am, and count forward 12 hours, you get 6pm. That's about sundown. The closer to the equator you get, the less annual variation there is in the time of sundown.
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Agree...Compare to Gen 1:2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Our location being near the equator the local time of posting here is12:04 A.M. 3/29/12 compare to US time.

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The Jewish people recognized sunrise and sunset as the beginning or end of a day. As far as I know, they did not use or estimate times such as noon or midnight. Watch "Fiddler on the Roof," there is a beautiful song called Sunrise - Sunset which signifies the beginning and end of a day according to Jewish culture.


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Brother Gideon ; Shalom , my point is what Strider 33 Pointed out !!! 12 AM Midnight approx. 6 hours off to what Jesus said in John 11 : 9 ... !!! Sunrise to Sunset is approx. 12 hours A DAY to Jesus !!! We have been taught that the start of the Day is approx. 12 AM midnight !!! But as we search the scriptures - Malachi C. 1 vs. 11 reveals sunrise to sunset , not what the jews or hebrews kept to the law of Moses ; Sundown Friday to Saturday Sundown - their Sabbath !!! Does this not involve Two Sundowns ? Friday and Saturday ? Yes it does !!! Just like Jesus Christ brought the new covenant - Passover - Blood atonement for us , No Lamb was used with Jesus and his disiples , foot washings , unleavened bread and wine !!! Jesus was the slain Lamb of God ( Hebrews Eat Lamb at Passover , thus denying their Prophecied Messiah ) !!! So the New covenant Sabbath is Saturday Sunrise to Sunset !!! Faith Hope Peace Mercy love from Mount Zion , Bless everyone that posted amen !!! :sign7:


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Shalom to all , in 321 A.D. at the Council of Nicea , Constantine was the Emperor of Rome , the hebrews or jews were thought to be crazy by the romans to believe in only One God , because the romans believed in many gods !!! This is when they at the Council ruled to abolish the Sabbath - 7 th day - Saturday , and institute the day of worship to a National Sunday Law through out the roman empire = Baal worship ; Sungod ; birth of the sun !!! Daniel C. 7 vs. 25 Speaks of this !!! Hebrews C. 4 vs. 1 - 7 explains the true Sabbath as to Enter into the Lord*s Rest ... !!! In 325 A.D. they abolished the Passover Feast ( new covenant Jesus Christ became ; Bread and Wine , like Melchesidec blessing Abraham with :sign7: ) and instituted Easter ( pagan god Ishtar - fertility = rabbits and chicken eggs ??? Deception ??? :shock: ) And they will call it Resurection day ( The Wave offering , day of 1 st fruits ( to Christ when Jesus Stormed the gates of Hell or Hades to release the prisoners ) !!! Malachi C. 1 vs. 7 KJV : For the Priest*s Lips should keep Knowledge , and they should seek the law at his mouth ; for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts !!! Faith Hope Peace Mercy Love from Mount Zion , bless everyone amen shalom :sign7: !!!


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Genesis C. 1 vs. 5 = 12 hours to a Day , 12 hours to a night , depending when you start your Day ? Midnight or Sunrise ? :sign7: Bless everyone , Glory to God through Christ , amen shalom !!!


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Except John himself accepts midnight as the start of the day.
In John 19:13-14, "When Pilate heard this, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judge’s seat at a place known as the Stone Pavement (which in Aramaic is Gabbatha). It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour." That was six a.m.
John wrote late enough that the church was no longer using the Jewish clock. They were using the Roman clock that started at midnight. And if it's good enough for John, it's good enough for me.
As for John 11:9, Jesus was just commenting on the period of daylight. Daylight was about 12 hours. It says nothing about when the 24 hour day starts or ends.


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Brother Booker g : Shalom , Please explain How 6 AM Is Midnight 12 AM according to John ??? Also where John approved Midnight ??? Chapter and verse please ??? Salvation Came from the Jews 1st , then to the gentiles , Bless you and your loved ones , to God be the Glory amen shalom


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Shalom to all , 2 nd thess. C. 2 vs. 3 KJV ; Let No MAN Decieve you By ANY MEANS : For that Day shall not Come , except there Come a FALLING AWAY 1 st , and that MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED ( Beast ) , the son of peridition !!! Please read Vs. 4 - 6 !!! Vs. 7 : For the MYSTERY of INIQUITY ( Lawlessness to the Glorious Gospel Of Jesus Christ ) Doth allready WORK : ONLY HE who Now Letteth let , until he be taken out of the Way !!! ( Why I am posting this ! :sign7: ) Now please read vs. 8 - 17 !!! To Prepare and make Straight the Narrow Road to Heaven ; For the 2 nd Coming of Jesus Christ ; the Word Of God - Rev. C. 19 vs. 13 :sign7: !!! Malachi C. 3 Vs. 1 - 9 Time is as of Importance as God*s Holy Name ... Obedience is Better Than Sacrifice , Thanks and All Glory Be To God through Jesus Christ , Faith Hope Peace Mercy Love from Mount Zion , Feed the Sheep amen shalom !!!


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TIME to Test the Spirits ; Shalom , Duet. C. 18 All but vs. 15 , the Lord would raise up a Prophet among the Brethren ( Israelites ) to Hearken ( Listen to ) :sign7: to vs. ** 22 to Verify this man is from the LORD ** !!! New test. Acts C. 3 All but vs. 11 - ** 19 - ** 21 ** 22 - 26 * Note : Vs. 22 A Prophet shall the Lord your God Raise up unto You of your brethren ( Israelites ) , like unto me ( Moses ) : him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall Say unto you !!! at the transfiguration of Jesus Christ ; Moses and Elijah were there - the 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks that stand before God ON the EAR - Th - Mark C. 9 vs. 2 - 5 ; Zechariah C. 4 vs. 11 - * 14 * !!! God*s 2 Witnesses in Rev. C. 11 All , Praise the Lord Jesus Christ For his Infinte Wisdom , bless everyone amen shalom !!!


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