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God told them they would DIE if they rebelled. Return to the ground. Stop living. (No mention of eternal torture in 'hellfire'. No 'immortal' soul)
Satan told Eve she would CERTAINLY NOT die!

Religion has taught Satan's claim ever since; 'immortal' souls have been sent to heaven, hellfire, purgatory, limbo, nirvana, been re-incarnated- and on & on!
If so- WHERE are they (or their 'immortal' souls)?

Did God LIE?
Should He have said "in the day you at of that tree you will positively FRY...FOREVER!"?

Where in the scripture is it said that Satan spoke to Eve?

Is this the passage you are referring to?

I don't see a reference to Satan.

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Cobra (the car, not the poisonous reptile)
all scripture is NRSV unless otherwise noted

Rev 20: 2-And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.

Did God LIE to Adam and Eve?
Should He have told them:

1-You will positively FRY!
(You have an 'immortal' soul that I will put into a place
I'm making called 'Hellfire'!) or,
2- You will positively Fly!
(You have an 'immortal' soul that I will send to Heaven) or,
3-You will positively FRY, then Fly!
(You have an 'immortal' soul that I will put into a place
I'm making called 'Hellfire', then when purged, I will send
it to Heaven!)

OR, did God actually (GASP!) tell them the Truth;
that they would return to the ground (grave/sheol/hades/hell)
that He formed them from?

Or,,,did he CHANGE the penalty for their offspring from death to Eternal Torture...and never WARN them of it till thousands of years later?

Hmm, so you think this is proof the serpent in Genesis is Satan?
I suppose that is one interpretation, but certainly not proof.

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Cobra (the car, not the poisonous reptile)
all scripture is NRSV unless otherwise noted

read Ez 28 & you'll have more evidence to consider

in eve they would live forever... notice how even after the fall adam still lives to be like 900..


because of the fall we die period. i don't believe it was a "at the moment you bite" sort of deal. hence the curse of pain during birth and such.

Edit: I do too believe that the serpent was satan in the garden. or at least him speaking through it as a medium.. i mean he may be a fallen angel.. but still an angel, he has power (although limited and weak compared to God) and can do things. Which is why we see possessions and things like exorcism in the new testament and even today. The thing is Christians have the power to stomp him out and cure these people. If we take up our armor and sword and go to work.

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To Live is Christ, To Die Is Gain

They must have died because God said they would, to say otherwise would be to say God lied, which is impossible. Because of the fall, they were separated from God, and the tree of life, so they had no sustenance for the spirit, and no fruit for immortality.

Some believe that one day according to God is 1,000 of our years. If so, Adam and Eve died within that timeframe as opposed to living forever.

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All scripture KJV unless otherwise stated.

2 Pet. 3:8 -- Now, dear friends, do not let this one thing escape your notice, that a single day is like a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years are like a single day.

naphal -- notice the words colored in blue

1 could infer from this & other Passages that God is simply not constrained by time

we know how long Adam lived (Gen. 5:5)

"like" doesn't alter what's being said. Adam and Eve did indeed die within one day, just not the 24 hour type of day.

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All scripture KJV unless otherwise stated.

says you (Ex. 20:8-11)

Not really related as we already know there are literal 24 days, as well as the day compared to 1,000 years from God's perspective.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

With my interpretation, God has spoken truely. In a literal 24 hour interp. God is wrong and that's not acceptable.

I don't accept the "spiritual death" for this because it doesn't fit IMO plus you wouldnt need a whole day, it would have been the moment they ate it rather than within 24 hours.

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All scripture KJV unless otherwise stated.

Here Satan tells something true:


Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

"ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil"


that is what satan promised, and guess what? it was true. they did and God confirmed it.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


"the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil"


This time what satan promised was very true and came as satan promised it would, it just isnt something you want.

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All scripture KJV unless otherwise stated.