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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:27 am 
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Hi, all. I'm looking for a Systematic Theology book. I have Grudem already, and like it quite a bit. I've looked over Millard Erikson's large volume, and found it to be "okay" (I personally think you don't lose all that much by going with his smaller book), and recently got the second volume of the abridged edition of Sys. Theol. By Chafer for $3 at a yard sale.

Does anyone know - Is Vol. 1 worth pursuing?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:26 am 
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Chafer's work was origionally 8 Volumes but has recently been published in 4 volumes. His work is a detailed discussion of the dispensational premillennial system of theology.
IMO if you can purchase the rest of his work for $3 a book it's worth it. I would't pay $28.25 a book.

I've enjoyed Reymond's work from a Prebyterian/Calvinistic point of view.
I've also liked Oden's work

Allister E. McGrath has a very good (Sort of Historical survey) Christian Theology: An Introduction which I've enjoyed. It is a bit pricey though.
Hope this helps a bit!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:40 am 
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If you interested particularly in the theology of Dispensationalism then Chafer would likely be a good choice for a thorough Sys.Theo. (BTW it includes numerous volumes depending on the publishing date of your volume 2 that you acquired). If you are looking for another theological perspective (i.e., covenantal, Reformed, Lutheran, historical, etc.) then I would perhaps recommend other volumes. Also, depending upon just how much reading you would want to do. If you want to read a shorter Dispensational volume try Henry Thiessen's. If you interested in simply reading various Sys.Theo.s (and aren't given to Dispensationalism...or at least not the traditional flavor) then you can still certainly benefit from Chafer as he offered a primary source for Dispensationalist Sys.Theo.

(I see that Randy has offered several helpful volumes while I was typing this up...so I'll just leave it at that :D ).

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Hey guys, any thoughts on John Frame, Herman Bavinck, or Francis Turretin?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:49 pm 
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I have Frame's The Doctrine of the Knowledge of God, The Doctrine of God, The Doctrine of the Christian Life, and The Doctrine of the Word of God.
I've read the first of those listed above and about 1/2 way through the second. Frame is well worth reading IMO. He comes from the Lordship/Calvinistic theological stance. BTW, he has two other books, Salvation Belongs to the Lord and Contemporary Worship Music: a Biblical Defense also in my personal library which are both very good reads.

BTW, It's great to be within 50-80 miles of several Bible colleges. Half-Price Books is often teeming with great books sold back after a semester easily attainable and CHEAP! :bounce:

I have yet to take in the other two but will watch for the input of others.

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Alister McGrath is worth having if you can get a second-hand, or a sale copy ... he is so "sane".

N.T.Wright's books are a "must" I think ... all of them, but especially his more scholarly books. He has a fresh perspective that is very welcome (and not just on Paul - pardon the pun :D ) ... his work on the resurrection of Christ is brilliant!

Then there is John Stott's "The Cross of Christ", and Leon Morris' books on the Atonement.

Also, I got a lot out of Eldon Ladd's "Theology of the NT"

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I would not purchase chafer - and I am a dispensationalist. If you have one or 2 systematics - you would be better served to collect volumes on individual topics within theology.

I wholeheartedly agree with dinah concerning Leon Morris on the atonement.

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HERETIC!

Seriously, John, where have you been?

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I will write a catch up post someday, but I have not been well - I hope to slowly work my way back to being a regular participant. Thank-you for noticing both my presence as well as my absence.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:56 pm 
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Get well soon!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:19 am 
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Hi, John. I, too, have missed you and hope you get to feeling better quickly.

When you have a chance, I'd like to read why you would not recommend Chafer. I'm looking for the abridged edition that has Walvoord, Zuck and Campbell.




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It has been awhile, but I do not agree with Chafer's approach to sanctification. I believe in progressive sancitification and I think that I remember Chafer adhering to the "Keswick" understanding of "let go and let God", but my last reading in his set was about1982.

I also believe that he also made a couple of statements about salvation in the OT dispensation which could be misunderstood.

Finally, I simply prefer to reccomend folks who either specialize and whose style is more current.

I am not saying that Chafer is not helpful - he says some things quite well, it is just that resources for books must be used with great wisdom.

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Pasterjohn -- am back from a vacation of sorts -- glad to see your name in the new post arena

get well soon!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:23 am 
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Well, I got Volume 1 from an Amazon dealer for less than 10 dollars. Thanks, everyone, for the help.


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